North Korea claims to have conducted hydrogen bomb test

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

The problem is I wrote most of these posts in a matter of minutes. I am currently on hour 12 of a project I'm working on. I'm literally coming on CP for my breaks. Also I don't find it nessicary to be a model of good manners with people like nik- who claim to have a monopoly on reality and tell anyone who disagrees with them that they are living in 'John lennons wonderland'. I generally respond to insults with insults. Slaps with slaps, punches with punches.

You also responded to a lot of reasonable opinion with irrational ramblings. I didn't claim a monopoly on reality, I merely pointed out that your opinion wasn't rooted in it.

It's funny how butt hurt you claim everyone in this thread to be, when it's clear that you're the only person in this state.

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I generally respond to insults with insults. Slaps with slaps, punches with punches.

Easy now, it might escalate to dropping a bomb...

I'm curious, who would be brought on trial for war crimes 71 years later? And if it happens "in time" who will be brought on trial at that time?

Pretty horrific events in human history for sure. I wasn't alive for another 40 years so I'm not going to claim I have the ability to judge what was going on at the time or those people who acted on what was going on.

With hindsight I can say that WWII was wrong and hope something so horrific never again happens. But, hopefully I'll never be in that situation nor will anyone else on this planet. Quick google shows that upwards of 246,000 people died as a result of the bombs. Sadly I think more have died in the past few years around the world from just as horrific things so it's not like this one event is an outlier other than how it was carried out.

Pretty sad reflection on how awful humanity can be in different circumstances. The blame game is a bit late at this point in time I think. About the only thing I can see being done is learning from the past. Which I think has happened to an extent.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

My point is that you would be better received and your intelligence remotely respected if you'd tone down the "everyone is butt hurt! Derp! Screw your wittle feewings!" rhetoric. You're not JUST talking to Nik, you're talking in a public forum for everyone to read.

If anything, it makes the very idea that you could even keep pace with any scholar in terms of intelligent discourse completely unbelievable. People are who they are. If you're petulant on a hockey board, you're petulant.

Yes, this is just a board of "hockey fans," no, that doesn't speak to the collective intelligence. You're right, you don't need to be likeable, but unless you want to keep yelling at a cloud while people tune you out, you should at least want to be tolerable.

My opinion only of course. Proceed as you wish, I just hate to see opinions as interesting as yours wasted.

I don't want to tone that down. I put that all in there for a reason. HAVE YOU EVEN READ MY USERNAME?!?!?!

Actually I don't care wether or not you can fathom me having an intelligent discourse with any scholar. I've been doing just that for a very long time. However I come here mostly for hockey talk, this topic caught my eye because it's something i hold very dear in my heart, targeting of civilians, it's just wrong in any war in any situation.

I'm not here to be Skype friends with you. I'm here to share my opinions. If people show petulance towards me, I am allowed to reflect that petulance back at them. I have received a warning from a mod. And I have been shown where I went over the line. I accept my warning and will make adjustments. One of those adjustments is not being a ##### cat or dumbing myself down to speak with people who don't know what they are trying to talk about.

I don't feel like my 'interesting opinions' are going to waste. I am well respected at what I do for a living, which has in large part to do with history, religion and my interesting opinions.

I genuinely appreciate your post though and your concern. I'm not being sarcastic. I thank you for that.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

I don't want to tone that down. I put that all in there for a reason. HAVE YOU EVEN READ MY USERNAME?!?!?!

Actually I don't care wether or not you can fathom me having an intelligent discourse with any scholar. I've been doing just that for a very long time. However I come here mostly for hockey talk, this topic caught my eye because it's something i hold very dear in my heart, targeting of civilians, it's just wrong in any war in any situation.

I'm not here to be Skype friends with you. I'm here to share my opinions. If people show petulance towards me, I am allowed to reflect that petulance back at them. I have received a warning from a mod. And I have been shown where I went over the line. I accept my warning and will make adjustments. One of those adjustments is not being a ##### cat or dumbing myself down to speak with people who don't know what they are trying to talk about.

lol. He just can't help it.

[OMG!WTF!]

M.A.D. Best thing ever in my short life.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

Easy now, it might escalate to dropping a bomb...

I'm curious, who would be brought on trial for war crimes 71 years later? And if it happens "in time" who will be brought on trial at that time?

Pretty horrific events in human history for sure. I wasn't alive for another 40 years so I'm not going to claim I have the ability to judge what was going on at the time or those people who acted on what was going on.

With hindsight I can say that WWII was wrong and hope something so horrific never again happens. But, hopefully I'll never be in that situation nor will anyone else on this planet. Quick google shows that upwards of 246,000 people died as a result of the bombs. Sadly I think more have died in the past few years around the world from just as horrific things so it's not like this one event is an outlier other than how it was carried out.

Pretty sad reflection on how awful humanity can be in different circumstances. The blame game is a bit late at this point in time I think. About the only thing I can see being done is learning from the past. Which I think has happened to an extent.

Finally someone with a touch of wit and something new to bring to the discussion. I couldn't agree more, especially with the bolded bits.

However I don't think someone needs to be on trial for something to be recognised as a war crime. Not sure though.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by nik-

lol. He just can't help it.

Or he just doesn't care because he hasn't got nearly 40,000 posts invested on a hockey forum. It's funny how you literally keep responding to me and not the topic. You clearly have an issue here.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

This is an essay by Albert Frikin Einstein.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Noam Bloody Chomsky said this. He's a fringe, lunatic conspiracy theorist who writes books that nobody reads.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Ban God Damn Ki Moon said this. He's some stupid Korean dude who somehow worked his way into possibly the top position in global politics.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Gunter BLOODCLOT Grass a Nobel prize winner, said this




George **** Wald, Harvard scientist, Nobel prize winner.





But please go on telling me how I'm just some educated fool who thinks he's dropping 'mad knowledge'. Tell me how it is I am living in some sort of 'John Lennon wonderland'. Then turn around and claim I'm the one going ad hominem and insulting people. No wonder you have 34,000 posts, your posts are about as intelligent, long and informed as a fortune in a Chinese cookie. Hope mums basement is nice and coazy, and with your Doritos and laptop charger you can hopefully keep on keeping on, probably be at 70,000 posts before long. Preying on threads, literally refreshing them every minute, responding to yourself, what a joke.

Well if that's the case than I am guilty as charged, a deranged madman who knows nothing along with Einstein, Ban Ki Moon, Gunter Grass, George Wald and a number of other people who literally take poops with a higher intelligence quotient than all of the posters in this thread combined.

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

You came to a thread about nuclear weapons looking for a meltdown?

That's not very Chyr-noble.

I have nothing to add except to say that Gunt's 3am rambling use of nicknames and insults has me in stitches right now. Especially Ban God Damn Ki Moon. Glad I wandered in here.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Or he just doesn't care because he hasn't got nearly 40,000 posts invested on a hockey forum. It's funny how you literally keep responding to me and not the topic. You clearly have an issue here.

I mean, that could be the reason. I think it's more likely that you're just an emotional poster that significantly overvalues his "insight" on this topic. Which in reality are just repostings of decades old theories and postulations.

You've added nothing to this thread so revolutionary or out of the norm to warrant the thick layer of arrogance you have. Your opinion on this topic had no pragmatism to the point of being laughable. As a result, you diverged into some massive whataboutism, which is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

But by all means, continue thinking you're just the smartest dude out there because you can quote the theories and opinions of others. I'm sure some are seriously impressed by it. Hopefully the rest of us can just discuss the issue at hand.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

So, thread ruined.

But I think there's a silver lining. This has been an entertaining, yet also highly instructive, public demonstration of the importance of epistemic humility.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Hahaha well I am glad I amused you hunting whale. What is life without a laugh or two?

This thread helped me blow off steam in the middle of doing something quite stressful. I thank all of you.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

So, thread ruined.

But I think there's a silver lining. This has been an entertaining, yet also highly instructive, public demonstration of the importance of epistemic humility.

I disagree, thread complete.

For only a thread about nuclear arms could play such a fitting host to an unstable reactor that consequently suffers a meltdown.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Hahaha well I am glad I amused you hunting whale. What is life without a laugh or two?

I would assume that would be your life.

[Coach]

War is bad, violent, and largely pointless (with few exceptions).

Nukes, conventional bombs, all the way to handguns are pretty much pointless in our society now outside of hobbies.

Launching every weapon into the sun at once would be nice, but the science of creating these things can't be forgotten. There always seems to be a crazy person looking to have their finger on the trigger of one of these devices.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I would assume that would be your life.

My life is full of laughs, travelling, reading, family, art, exercise etc.

I'm actually not a crumpy gunt in real life. Unless my girlfriend leaves the garage door open and my custom mountain bike is stolen, then I am a crumpy gunt in real life.

[Flacker]

I would recommend "The Fog of War", a documentary by Errol Morris, that presents 11 "life lessons" from Robert McNamara. Enlightening discussion of the need to drop the nukes, as he was a statistician with the USAF during WWII, and directly disagreed with LeMay's tactics. This is ironic as his statistical analysis, is actually what justified using the B-29s at a lower altitude, dropping incendiary bombs and torching Japan's cities.

Japan was in smoldering ruins before Hiroshima/Nagasaki.

McNamara also states that had the allies not won WWII, he would have fully expected that US officials would have been convicted of war crimes, for both the fire bombings, and Hiroshima/Nagasaki

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Dude ^ get out of here with that crap. Don't you know there was literally no other way. The Japanese were never going to surrender. EVER! They weren't even close to defeat, in fact they were thriving and could have sustained war for another 100 years after that!

My teacher told me so. My dad believes it too. Are you calling them liars? My grandfather was in the military, are you saying he was a bad man?!

[PeteMoss]

FWIW - both Russia and the US have drastically reduce their nuclear warheads since the height of the cold war (or at least that is what they are reporting) since that is what started this whole thing.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

OK I should go to sleep. People are awake now.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

FWIW - both Russia and the US have drastically reduce their nuclear warheads since the height of the cold war (or at least that is what they are reporting) since that is what started this whole thing.

It's not worth much when even a fraction of what is still on hand would destroy everything. It really is crazy that we are basically holding our own planet hostage to avoid being bombed by ourselves.

Like what in the serious f***?