[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't really care about the points totals of players in the AHL. That is the league where we want them to go through these growing pains.

You should care, there is a direct correlation between success in the AHL and success in the NHL. The way things are going for Poirier and Klimchuk at the moment does not inspire any confidence that they will ever be impact players in the NHL. At this point I'm just hoping they will become effective bottom 6 guys like Backlund, but that may even be a stretch. They are still young, and this is only Klimchuk's first pro year, but the fact that they are struggling so much does not bode well.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The major difference is Hamilton was somewhat proven and we knew for certain it was the 15th pick. Drouin is definitely more of a question mark and the pick is even a bigger question mark. I also agree with the logic but I think this scenario in particular is quite different and has too much risk involved.

This. That draft pick could end up being Auston Matthews for all we know. Too risky.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A first round pick will always typically have more value than a player that was a former first round pick unless that player is considered special and has developed as envisioned by scouts. The Flames were lucky to fetch a 2nd round pick for Sven and does anyone think Jake Virtanen would fetch a first round pick today? I think Druin could fetch a 1st round pick from a team that heavily scouted him and thinks he has the upside but I don't see the value of trading a top 5 pick in this draft for him as there appears to be some players in that range with size and skill that more fit an organizational need over a small skilled winger. The Flames pick is up in the air right now and I wouldn't consider trading that for Druin until the end of the season as if they are drafting in the range of 7 or later I could kind of see it being worth it but I suppose it all depends on how much the team likes the players that they feel will be available when they draft. Too many factors which is why I don't see Druin getting moved until maybe the draft weekend.

Good points. I agree, I could totally see Yzerman waiting til this blows over a bit and near the draft or at, moving Drouin.

Imagine if Bennett wanted out and the best we could get is Poirier or Klimchuk.

Actually, as I type this.. You guys are all completely right.

If I had to move a Bennett type cause he wants out and in this case Calgary comes calling i'd want that pick. There is a chance it could turn out to be top 10.

I dont know if my logic to getting to the same place as you guys are on this, but my pain killers are kicking in. Thought process isnt so hot..

But from the outside looking in, why wpuldnt Yzerman want top assets (1st if he can) over guys that arent turning heads in the AHL.

But if that pick is 15-20. I thinks its as valuable as the afformentioned.

And.. Maybe I'm jinxing it all but without looking, wasn't Brodeur taken 15-18?

So by that logic.. I have no argument.

I'm out!

Good chat guys.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

You should care, there is a direct correlation between success in the AHL and success in the NHL. The way things are going for Poirier and Klimchuk at the moment does not inspire any confidence that they will ever be impact players in the NHL. At this point I'm just hoping they will become effective bottom 6 guys like Backlund, but that may even be a stretch. They are still young, and this is only Klimchuk's first pro year, but the fact that they are struggling so much does not bode well.

I have to..

Keep in mind, Klimchuk lost almost an entire season of Junior due to injury. When he came back, he was still showing heart, skill and grit.

Before turning pro, he's only had 1 year of hockey after the injury.

I feel he may end up being better than Poirier.
But can't disagree, both are showing at best as bottom 6'ers. But is there anything wrong with that?

Is it a failurel on a GM's part to draft a kid in the first round that at best Becomes a bottom 6, 5/7, or solid backup that is reliable every time he steps in?

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I have to..

Keep in mind, Klimchuk lost almost an entire season of Junior due to injury. When he came back, he was still showing heart, skill and grit.

Before turning pro, he's only had 1 year of hockey after the injury.

I feel he may end up being better than Poirier.
But can't disagree, both are showing at best as bottom 6'ers. But is there anything wrong with that?

Is it a failurel on a GM's part to draft a kid in the first round that at best Becomes a bottom 6, 5/7, or solid backup that is reliable every time he steps in?

He played 57 games in his draft+1 and 60 games in his draft +2. Not even close to missing a full season

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I can't disagree with the last 3 posts (Hackey, Guaranteed Ev and EE, and then the 2 that came after) Infact more than fair points. I would have simply thanked them but I have to save some for tonight's game!

But its definitely interesting and a much better discussion than they were having on hockey central this morning.

Kipper said if you're Yzerman, the convo starts with Bennett.. Omg..

Then McLean says you then hang up the phone.

Kipper also said that Gio's contract starts at 9 or 8 million.

Yzerman can ask for Bennett, but Treliving will laugh and counter with Raymond. Both will laugh and then the serious trade talks will start.

[Hackey]

Nakladal is outscoring Poirier and Klimchuk jeez.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

He played 57 games in his draft+1 and 60 games in his draft +2. Not even close to missing a full season

... There goes another one.. How many Thanks do we get in a day?

Can't say it didn't hurt his development a bit tho.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Nakladal is outscoring Poirier and Klimchuk jeez.

Nakladal is the main reason why I support trading Russell and Wideman as soon as possible.

[codynw]

Can calling Kypreos "Kipper" stop being a thing? This is a Flames board. When I read Kipper, I assume Kiprusoff.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by codynw

This. That draft pick could end up being Auston Matthews for all we know. Too risky.

realistically what are the chances of that though...even if they finish last they would have an 80% chance of not getting him

I think you would need to protect the pick though

[Strange Brew]

I would trade a combination of almost any forward we currently have in Stockton for Drouin. Feels like Flames forward prospect depth is not as strong as I thought it was a year ago.

[ScorchyScorch]

I really think we should make a move for Drouin, though.

This is similar to the Dougie Hamilton situation, but up front. I wouldn't object to moving the 2017 1st cause the team is trending upwards with the development of our core players so the pick isn't as likely to be in the lottery ranks. Compliment our core with another young skilled player that already has a head start with NHL experience under his belt.

Then acquire a RW vet with size at the deadline or in FA.

[hockey.modern]

@NicholsOnHockey: LeBrun: #TBLighting looking for "top-end, right-handed defenseman." Whether that has to be in a Jonathan Drouin trade remains to be seen.

[The Yen Man]

Bidding war between Islanders and Lightning for the services of Wideman! Hamonic or Drouin?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

@NicholsOnHockey: LeBrun: #TBLighting looking for "top-end, right-handed defenseman." Whether that has to be in a Jonathan Drouin trade remains to be seen.

Take out the top end part but Wideman, Hudler (retained) and prospect of Tampa's choosing for Coburn and Drouin

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by codynw

Can calling Kypreos "Kipper" stop being a thing? This is a Flames board. When I read Kipper, I assume Kiprusoff.

Well... No?!.. It is his nickname too. And seeing as he's more relevant than Kiprusoff, Kypreos should just be assumed.

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

@NicholsOnHockey: LeBrun: #TBLighting looking for "top-end, right-handed defenseman." Whether that has to be in a Jonathan Drouin trade remains to be seen.

Dennis Wideman for Drouin?

How about, Wideman + Wotherspoon + 2nd rd pick?

Someone for now, someone for the future and a pick if it doesn't workout?

Nakladal comes up.

Too easy.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Split98

So the Rangers would effectively be trading the 2016 and 2017 1st' for Drouin and almost a year of Yandle?

I'd be rattled if I was a Rangers fan and that happened. That kid honestly has bust (yes.) potential as much as he has boom. Leaning a bit more towards bust. Worth the risk if he can pull it together, but not THAT much of a risk.

I disagree. He had health issues this year but when he played he produced at a good clip. I think he will be a top 6 forward.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I have to..

Keep in mind, Klimchuk lost almost an entire season of Junior due to injury. When he came back, he was still showing heart, skill and grit.

Before turning pro, he's only had 1 year of hockey after the injury.

I feel he may end up being better than Poirier.
But can't disagree, both are showing at best as bottom 6'ers. But is there anything wrong with that?

Is it a failurel on a GM's part to draft a kid in the first round that at best Becomes a bottom 6, 5/7, or solid backup that is reliable every time he steps in?

I see no way Klimchuk turns out better than Poirier and I think he is made of glass. Guy is injured a lot.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I see no way Klimchuk turns out better than Poirier and I think he is made of glass. Guy is injured a lot.

We already bantered about all of that. I was clearly in the minority and some facts were straightened out. But I honestly have not watched them at all this year so on how they currently sit, I have no idea.. I'm just shooting $h*z bubbles..