Militia Seizes Federal Compound in Oregon

[Daradon]

Unless something has happened that I haven't read about yet, I wouldn't call it terrorism, as they aren't terrorizing citizens or causing fear.

I do understand domestic terrorism and think it is often downplayed in the states to focus on outside terrorism which is beneficial to political parties and political movements, but I don't think this fits the bill.

I think it's stupid, and probably illegal, and has the possibility of turning violent, but I dunno if it's terrorism. Sedition is a good word, as New Era said.

Terrorism is when your making average citizens afraid of doing normal things, or going to regular places. It's also more against a group of people than the actual government of those people.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Terrorism is when your making average citizens afraid of doing normal things, or going to regular places. It's also more against a group of people than the actual government of those people.

Well schools and stores are all closed, and they're not just against a few people. This is a call to arms against the federal government..

[Street Pharmacist]

I think too many people are basing their definition on whether or not they're scared, which has little to do with the definition.

[burn_this_city]

I love the hesitation to call it terrorism because they're ranching west coast white guys. If this was a bunch of Arabs holed up with guns making demands of the federal government you bet it would be labelled terrorism. The fact they're armed means they're trying to intimidate the authorities and other citizens.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Terrorism is when your making average citizens afraid of doing normal things, or going to regular places.

If this is your definition then it is most definitely terrorism. Most of the articles I have read have at least one local interviewed that state they are worried to get caught in the cross fire.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by GGG

If this is your definition then it is most definitely terrorism. Most of the articles I have read have at least one local interviewed that state they are worried to get caught in the cross fire.

They're off in a closed wildlife refuge's admin/gift shop building. They're not holed up downtown main street bank where a gunfight might break out and hit innocent passer-bys. Sure someone can get injured/killed, but no one needs to be going near the building anyways.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by GGG

If this is your definition then it is most definitely terrorism. Most of the articles I have read have at least one local interviewed that state they are worried to get caught in the cross fire.

Pretty hard to get caught in crossfire when not a single shot has been fired. I just assumed they were using 'crossfire' as euphemism for bull####.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

Pretty hard to get caught in crossfire when not a single shot has been fired. I just assumed they were using 'crossfire' as euphemism for bull####.

Oh! I thought they brought heavy guns and bullets and told everyone they'd use force of anyone tried to remove them.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Oh! I thought they brought heavy guns and bullets and told everyone they'd use force of anyone tried to remove them.

so again, why can't the government cut off food supply lines.....

seems so easy.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

so again, why can't the government cut off food supply lines.....

seems so easy.

They will or are I'm certain. What's less certain is how much the federal government is willing to starve these people out with news crews waiting

[RyZ]

Calling this "terrorism" is completely marginalizing real terrorism going on in many regions of the world.

Are they idiots, yeah of course.

Are we talking about ISIS, Boko Haram or Al Qeada level/type of real terrorism?

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They will or are I'm certain. What's less certain is how much the federal government is willing to starve these people out with news crews waiting

These guys have guns and uttered threats, starve them. They are not a peaceful protest.

There is food over here boys, just come get arrested and we will feed you, or, starve. I don't think we need to be too concerned with Martyrs.


No one gets hurt.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Calling this "terrorism" is completely marginalizing real terrorism going on in many regions of the world.

Are they idiots, yeah of course.

Are we talking about ISIS, Boko Haram or Al Qeada level/type of real terrorism?

Agreed.

I think part of the "terrorism" stink is that if this wasn't just a bunch of wanna-be-Rambo white guys, and was instead a Muslim group, or something like the Black Panthers, a lot of people (including the dummies sitting in that bird sanctuary now) would call it terrorism.

[Resolute 14]

^

That, really, is the point. As someone pointed out on Twitter:

A group of armed black people are called "thugs".
A group of armed brown people are called "terrorists".
A group of armed white people are called "militia".

They're all the same thing though. All that changes is the narrative law enforcement and the media pushes.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Militia, terrorists and mobs? They're not at all the same thing. That's a pretty surprising comment. Literally the only things they have in common are the notion (whether you agree with them or not aside) that they're aggrieved, and that they have weapons.

[trumpethead]

Serious question. What do the militia hope to achieve with this action? and what would be the best possible outcome they could reasonably secure as a result of this action?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

^

That, really, is the point. As someone pointed out on Twitter:

A group of armed black people are called "thugs".
A group of armed brown people are called "terrorists".
A group of armed white people are called "militia".

They're all the same thing though. All that changes is the narrative law enforcement and the media pushes.

Exactly. The media should be calling this what it is; right wing extremist domestic terrorism. That is how this is going to be classified by organizations that track this stuff. The FBI will certainly classify it as such. SPLC will definitely classify it as such. We just continue to ignore this stuff because it makes us believe the false narrative that white people are above this kind of thing.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

I keep picturing the leader of Y'all Qaeda as Hedley Lamarr from Blazing Saddles.

"I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, ####-kickers and Methodists."

I must admit I have this image of Obama in a buckskin tasseled cowboy suit saying

'Oh baby you are so talented, and they are so dumb!'

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

Serious question. What do the militia hope to achieve with this action? and what would be the best possible outcome they could reasonably secure as a result of this action?

Most of them are just the usual out of work, living out of their camper, internet whack jobs who honestly think that the UN led by the pope and King George will take over if they don't 'take a stand'.

The ones in charge are thinking book deal, fox appearences followed by a shot at the White House in 5 years.

We can thank John Mc Cain for unleashing Palin on us and starting this cavalcade of special needs leaders.

[Ducay]

Great article about this on Deadspin. Gets into how US gun culture giving them a false sense of power. At the end of the day they're just dumbos in a gift shop making a point. Best part is italicized.

Those Jamokes In Oregon Aren't Terrorists, They're Jamokes

The American political lexicon has an appropriate word for the armed men conspicuously loitering in part of Oregon’s Malheur National Wildlife Refuge instead of going home. It is not terrorist or militia or occupation or revolution or movement or front or army or resistance. The word is jamoke. “Get a load of these sad jamokes!” is the thing you say about them.

Maybe when they are done annexing this remote administrative office’s supply of free park maps and permit application forms, they will liberate rural Oregon’s port-a-johns next. Some of the port-a-johns are heavily fortified with locking doors and hand sanitizer pumps. Surely this will call for siege weaponry.

[...]

When you call these horse’s asses “terrorists,” you are not only dignifying their ridiculous, impotent actions, you are doing them the biggest favor for which they can hope.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/tho...oke-1750918911