It annoys me when plot points are left out of a movie but instead put into comics or books. I don't have time to read all the extra material, just put it in the movie!
It annoys me when plot points are left out of a movie but instead put into comics or books. I don't have time to read all the extra material, just put it in the movie!
I disagree with this. Non-essential material should be left out and left for the viewer to fill in the gaps. Without the comic C3POs arm becomes a funny gag about 3po ruining an emotional reunion. Nothing more needs explaining.
The biggest problem with the first two prequel movies was they tried to be too big. They focused on all the the galaxies politics, extended love story scenes and so much exposition. Instead you if you leave the viewer to fill in the gaps you end up which much better movies.
So the extra material just supplements and expands on things but is non essential to the enjoyment of the movie.
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I finally watch the movie this weekend, took me a while to find a night with a babysitter. And I had completely avoided spoilers even previews ahead of time, all I knew were the old characters were back, and it started on a desert planet that wasn't Tatooine.
I haven't done a movie review before but I feel like doing one for this movie.
I liked the story, and how they integrated the old and new casts, and the overall tone of the movie was allot better than I/II/III. But I found the character development to be quite a bit weaker than any of the other movies.
Finn and BB8 were perfect characters, no problem at all
The old characters did not need development and were well used, no problem at all.
If I wanted to nitpick my complaints would be
If Rey was going to pick up on the force that quickly they needed to foreshadow it more. (accidental telekinesis while scavenging, maybe give Maz the ability to use the mind trick or something, so she was emulating something she had seen when she left the cell). I just didn't like that she went from thinking Luke and the Jedi were myths and Jedi mind trick and Force Pull in a matter of days.
Poe needed a way bigger role, I think if he had suddenly reappeared at the scavenger camp right as the tie fighters were about to attack it would have taken nothing away from the plot, and they could have given him 10 extra minutes for screen time, for a character we probably needed to get to know better.
The whole scene with Kylo and Han would have been better if that was the first time they showed his face. It would have made it allot more emotional IMO, which that scene needed, and maybe a bit less development of the Kylo chartacter would have given them more story to work with in the future.
The lightsaber scene was a little too much. The should have either cut it really short and had Rey/Finn make a lucky escape or had Chewies shot cripple Kylo allot worse, so it would be believable that they survived against a well trained Sith.
I don't think the First Order needed to be that powerful that early in the trilogy, having them as an upstart collecting the scattered remnants of the dark side and emperial army probably would have been an more entertaining plot device, than showing us there's a bigger badder power than the empire that already took over 30 years later. But maybe the next two movies will prove me wrong about that. It just seemed to me the Star powered planet gun did nothing to drive the plot, they should have just made the whole thing about race to capture the droid, then the rescue of the girl, there was enough movie there and it would have given them the opportunity develop the First Order as a growing threat.
There were also times where is seemed like Abrams was poking a bit of fun at old movies, which I did not like for a movie that was trying to add to their story. Oddly he did the same thing with Star Trek and I really liked the way he used it for a reboot, not sure why I took it differently with a continuation.
Star Wars is a funny series, because all 7 of the moives had better stories to tell and better characters than the actual movies themselves. I'd probably give this one a 8 /10, and say it's a movie you can't not watch. The Legend is still bigger than the movies themselves, but it doesn't have the obvious flaws that Ep I and Ep III had.
Star Wars is at 1.5 billion worldwide. It will be #4 all time by tomorrow. Dont think itll have the international legs to pass Avatar, which is at 2.7 billion but it could realistically challenge Titanic which is at number 2 with 2.1 billion.
Starwars will definitely pass Avatar for #1 domestically by the weekend.
P. S. Ill never be okay with such a ####ty movie being at #1. #### Avatar.
I finally watch the movie this weekend, took me a while to find a night with a babysitter. And I had completely avoided spoilers even previews ahead of time, all I knew were the old characters were back, and it started on a desert planet that wasn't Tatooine.
I haven't done a movie review before but I feel like doing one for this movie.
I liked the story, and how they integrated the old and new casts, and the overall tone of the movie was allot better than I/II/III. But I found the character development to be quite a bit weaker than any of the other movies.
Finn and BB8 were perfect characters, no problem at all
The old characters did not need development and were well used, no problem at all.
If I wanted to nitpick my complaints would be
If Rey was going to pick up on the force that quickly they needed to foreshadow it more. (accidental telekinesis while scavenging, maybe give Maz the ability to use the mind trick or something, so she was emulating something she had seen when she left the cell). I just didn't like that she went from thinking Luke and the Jedi were myths and Jedi mind trick and Force Pull in a matter of days.
I kind of agree with this, except that we saw her first awakening when she touched Luke's lightsabre. Her first real attempt at using the force with the mind trick was a dismal failure. When she put some real force so to speak into it the second time it worked, that was I think the aha moment for her.
I guess my problem is she's tied up she's been tortured, she tries the mind trick and it fails utterly, then she tries it again with a lot more force and from a position of what I would call fear. To me that could be something of a step towards the Dark Side more then the light. Just like in the fight with Ren, I had that feeling when she really amped it up and the way that she looked at Ren after she wounded him that the only thing that saved her from a quick fall was that the earth separated them.
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Poe needed a way bigger role, I think if he had suddenly reappeared at the scavenger camp right as the tie fighters were about to attack it would have taken nothing away from the plot, and they could have given him 10 extra minutes for screen time, for a character we probably needed to get to know better.
Poe's a pretty minor character in my mind, he is literally a combination of Wedge and Porkins from the first movie. I think that giving him more screen time would have been developing a character that isn't all that important.
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The whole scene with Kylo and Han would have been better if that was the first time they showed his face. It would have made it allot more emotional IMO, which that scene needed, and maybe a bit less development of the Kylo chartacter would have given them more story to work with in the future.
I agree sort of, but I did like it when he took off the mask while errr torturing Rey because it was a big part of the whole he seems a lot more vulnerable without the mask, whereas with the mask he was a killer and a rage monster. When he couldn't get what he wanted out of Rey and she pushed back, I liked that he removed the mask and you could see the whole frustration and what do I do know expression on his face.
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The lightsaber scene was a little too much. The should have either cut it really short and had Rey/Finn make a lucky escape or had Chewies shot cripple Kylo allot worse, so it would be believable that they survived against a well trained Sith.
Except that the key point is that Ren isn't all that well trained. I had the sense that he hadn't received any training at all from Snoke, and he was pretty much a clumsy Padawan level person. He's not even a Sith. He had just taken his final fall moments ago when he slaughtered his father, before that he was in a land of confusion. My feeling is that a decently trained Jedi Knight probably would have wiped the floor with him, then turned him into a ferrett and bounced him off of walls.
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I don't think the First Order needed to be that powerful that early in the trilogy, having them as an upstart collecting the scattered remnants of the dark side and emperial army probably would have been an more entertaining plot device, than showing us there's a bigger badder power than the empire that already took over 30 years later. But maybe the next two movies will prove me wrong about that. It just seemed to me the Star powered planet gun did nothing to drive the plot, they should have just made the whole thing about race to capture the droid, then the rescue of the girl, there was enough movie there and it would have given them the opportunity develop the First Order as a growing threat.
I disliked the reliance on the Super Weapon. But if you think about it it points to the First Order not being like the empire which had a powerful navy and army even without the Death Star, and the Death Stars were designed as the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the Galaxy.
The Star Killer I feel was built to hide the weakness of the First Order. It was a fire first weapon to one shot the Republic and kill it and then take the resistance out. My sense is that the First Order that rose from disgruntled Imperial Officers and Military Members doesn't have a huge fleet or millions of soldiers but is a small package of fanatics who spent a ton of money on a super weapon that would allow them to conquor the galaxy thought fear.
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There were also times where is seemed like Abrams was poking a bit of fun at old movies, which I did not like for a movie that was trying to add to their story. Oddly he did the same thing with Star Trek and I really liked the way he used it for a reboot, not sure why I took it differently with a continuation.
Star Wars is a funny series, because all 7 of the moives had better stories to tell and better characters than the actual movies themselves. I'd probably give this one a 8 /10, and say it's a movie you can't not watch. The Legend is still bigger than the movies themselves, but it doesn't have the obvious flaws that Ep I and Ep III had.
I think that was more Kasdan then anything else. His movie which was Empire Strikes back had more of that style of humor in it.
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Star Wars is at 1.5 billion worldwide. It will be #4 all time by tomorrow. Dont think itll have the international legs to pass Avatar, which is at 2.7 billion but it could realistically challenge Titanic which is at number 2 with 2.1 billion.
Starwars will definitely pass Avatar for #1 domestically by the weekend.
P. S. Ill never be okay with such a ####ty movie being at #1. #### Avatar.
I think it'll crush Avatar, For domestic sales in two weeks it's neck n' neck with the 34 weeks Avatar had, When it opens in China in 2 weeks it'll get a large second wave.
Star Wars is at 1.5 billion worldwide. It will be #4 all time by tomorrow. Dont think itll have the international legs to pass Avatar, which is at 2.7 billion but it could realistically challenge Titanic which is at number 2 with 2.1 billion.
Starwars will definitely pass Avatar for #1 domestically by the weekend.
P. S. Ill never be okay with such a ####ty movie being at #1. #### Avatar.
Meh, inflated numbers. Literally
Adjusted gross list is the way to go. Force Awakens will probably be the second most succesful Star Wars movie after A New Hope. (Which is all time #2 after Gone With the Wind.)
(Also, Avatar isn't that bad. At least the extended version I've seen.)
I disagree with this. Non-essential material should be left out and left for the viewer to fill in the gaps. Without the comic C3POs arm becomes a funny gag about 3po ruining an emotional reunion. Nothing more needs explaining.
The biggest problem with the first two prequel movies was they tried to be too big. They focused on all the the galaxies politics, extended love story scenes and so much exposition. Instead you if you leave the viewer to fill in the gaps you end up which much better movies.
So the extra material just supplements and expands on things but is non essential to the enjoyment of the movie.
Yeah, I get what you are saying, the movie would have been pretty bad if they explained everything and it is good to leave things up to the viewers imagination. My issue though is that this isn't leaving things up to your imagination, it is told in a book or comic I'm never going to read. Either put it in the movie or leave it up to the viewer, don't make us read extra material to figure out what is going on.
Oh, and I don't care about the red arm, it was more about the light sabre and Snoke background.
i liked the movie just as much if not more than the 1st time. fun movie, likeable characters and a nice simple story for the kids. its what the prequels should have been
I kind of agree with this, except that we saw her first awakening when she touched Luke's lightsabre. Her first real attempt at using the force with the mind trick was a dismal failure. When she put some real force so to speak into it the second time it worked, that was I think the aha moment for her.
I guess my problem is she's tied up she's been tortured, she tries the mind trick and it fails utterly, then she tries it again with a lot more force and from a position of what I would call fear. To me that could be something of a step towards the Dark Side more then the light. Just like in the fight with Ren, I had that feeling when she really amped it up and the way that she looked at Ren after she wounded him that the only thing that saved her from a quick fall was that the earth separated them.
Poe's a pretty minor character in my mind, he is literally a combination of Wedge and Porkins from the first movie. I think that giving him more screen time would have been developing a character that isn't all that important.
I agree sort of, but I did like it when he took off the mask while errr torturing Rey because it was a big part of the whole he seems a lot more vulnerable without the mask, whereas with the mask he was a killer and a rage monster. When he couldn't get what he wanted out of Rey and she pushed back, I liked that he removed the mask and you could see the whole frustration and what do I do know expression on his face.
Except that the key point is that Ren isn't all that well trained. I had the sense that he hadn't received any training at all from Snoke, and he was pretty much a clumsy Padawan level person. He's not even a Sith. He had just taken his final fall moments ago when he slaughtered his father, before that he was in a land of confusion. My feeling is that a decently trained Jedi Knight probably would have wiped the floor with him, then turned him into a ferrett and bounced him off of walls.
I disliked the reliance on the Super Weapon. But if you think about it it points to the First Order not being like the empire which had a powerful navy and army even without the Death Star, and the Death Stars were designed as the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the Galaxy.
The Star Killer I feel was built to hide the weakness of the First Order. It was a fire first weapon to one shot the Republic and kill it and then take the resistance out. My sense is that the First Order that rose from disgruntled Imperial Officers and Military Members doesn't have a huge fleet or millions of soldiers but is a small package of fanatics who spent a ton of money on a super weapon that would allow them to conquor the galaxy thought fear.
I think that was more Kasdan then anything else. His movie which was Empire Strikes back had more of that style of humor in it.
I see Rey's force usage a little differently. She is in a state of fear when she tries to unlock her the first two tries. The she pauses, clears her mind and matter of factly tells him to unlock her.
Same with the sabre battle, Rey is losing, Ren attempts to recruit her, she pauses, clears her mind and fights back.
So I see it as her being unable to command the force when in a state of anger and fear it's only when she clears her mind it works.
Adjusted gross list is the way to go. Force Awakens will probably be the second most succesful Star Wars movie after A New Hope. (Which is all time #2 after Gone With the Wind.)
(Also, Avatar isn't that bad. At least the extended version I've seen.)
The only problem with the adjusted gross numbers is that it includes the re-releases of the movies. I'd like to see first run in theatres separated out.
I thought the movie lived up to my expectations except for the villains. They seemed a little bit impotent to me. The two new leads as well as the characters from the originals were the highlights
I kind of agree with this, except that we saw her first awakening when she touched Luke's lightsabre. Her first real attempt at using the force with the mind trick was a dismal failure. When she put some real force so to speak into it the second time it worked, that was I think the aha moment for her.
I guess my problem is she's tied up she's been tortured, she tries the mind trick and it fails utterly, then she tries it again with a lot more force and from a position of what I would call fear. To me that could be something of a step towards the Dark Side more then the light. Just like in the fight with Ren, I had that feeling when she really amped it up and the way that she looked at Ren after she wounded him that the only thing that saved her from a quick fall was that the earth separated them.
Poe's a pretty minor character in my mind, he is literally a combination of Wedge and Porkins from the first movie. I think that giving him more screen time would have been developing a character that isn't all that important.
I agree sort of, but I did like it when he took off the mask while errr torturing Rey because it was a big part of the whole he seems a lot more vulnerable without the mask, whereas with the mask he was a killer and a rage monster. When he couldn't get what he wanted out of Rey and she pushed back, I liked that he removed the mask and you could see the whole frustration and what do I do know expression on his face.
Except that the key point is that Ren isn't all that well trained. I had the sense that he hadn't received any training at all from Snoke, and he was pretty much a clumsy Padawan level person. He's not even a Sith. He had just taken his final fall moments ago when he slaughtered his father, before that he was in a land of confusion. My feeling is that a decently trained Jedi Knight probably would have wiped the floor with him, then turned him into a ferrett and bounced him off of walls.
I disliked the reliance on the Super Weapon. But if you think about it it points to the First Order not being like the empire which had a powerful navy and army even without the Death Star, and the Death Stars were designed as the final nail in the coffin for the rest of the Galaxy.
The Star Killer I feel was built to hide the weakness of the First Order. It was a fire first weapon to one shot the Republic and kill it and then take the resistance out. My sense is that the First Order that rose from disgruntled Imperial Officers and Military Members doesn't have a huge fleet or millions of soldiers but is a small package of fanatics who spent a ton of money on a super weapon that would allow them to conquor the galaxy thought fear.
I think that was more Kasdan then anything else. His movie which was Empire Strikes back had more of that style of humor in it.
Points taken, I did like the movie, there were just quite a few areas where they glazed over developing the story.
Like I said, I liked the character of Rey allot but thought the developed her in a really weak way.
I left the movie feeling like they wanted to portray all of the characteristics of Han, Luke and Leia jumbelled up between Finn, Rey and Poe. But I left the theater thinking of Poe more like a wedge character. Maybe it was just me and he will turn out to be a minor character in the next movie again, but I get the feeling they will give him a big role and want us to care about him allot more than we do.
And the sense I got of Ren was he did not have vary good control of his powers because of youth and anger, but was vary powerful.
Adjusted gross list is the way to go. Force Awakens will probably be the second most succesful Star Wars movie after A New Hope. (Which is all time #2 after Gone With the Wind.)
(Also, Avatar isn't that bad. At least the extended version I've seen.)
Those numbers are just domestic. The international market has grown a lot recently. Gone With the Wind's international box office was probably pretty tame back in the day.
I kind of agree with this, except that we saw her first awakening when she touched Luke's lightsabre. Her first real attempt at using the force with the mind trick was a dismal failure. When she put some real force so to speak into it the second time it worked, that was I think the aha moment for her.
The first implied awakening happened after she flew the Falcon (and found out about Luke), assuming the timeline between that and Snoke mentioning that there 'has been an awakening' is consistent. Then after the interrogation Snoke and Ren realized that she was the potential new Jedi that they sensed earlier.
The guy in that youtube is quoting a book? Which book?
I would love to do some reading of the Star Wars universe but as far as I knew nothing was cannon anymore?
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I think there are a couple of newer books that might be? Or maybe some comics? I'm not clear on what's canonical either.
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