12-30-2015, 06:11 PM
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#4681
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Oh yeah, I'd like the Flames to nab Bernier still.
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12-30-2015, 09:47 PM
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#4682
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CGY
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2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors
Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey:
Vasilevskiy not parting ways with TB?
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Dreger: "We keep looking at Vasilevskiy, as an example, w/ the #TBLightning, but they don't want to part w/ him." Goalie trade market convo.
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Johansen moved in the off-season?
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Dreger on Johansen: "For me, that feels like a deal that would likely get done in the offseason" w/ more flexibility, greater return. #CBJ
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12-31-2015, 05:32 AM
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#4683
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Sorry in advance for bumping with old posts, but I felt I could offer insight here.
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Seems like the Panther have 6m in cap and a crap ton of roster spots to fill next season with 4 key RFA's (out of 8 RFA's currently on the NHL roster) due for raises, a captain to re-sign (Mitchell) and a replacement for Brian Campbell as he will be UFA. I feel like they may be preparing to be on a tighter budget and moving Huberdeau for a younger RFA would help them.
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Mitchell may or may not come back. He's already 38 and definitely slowing down. I wouldn't be surprised if they brought back a 36 year old Campbell back for a 2 year deal on a very reduced salary (currently making over 7 million). He can still skate. I would be shocked if Jagr played next year, but you never know.
As for the RFAs, Howden, Brickley, Shaw, and Knight will be re-upped on qualifying offers. They don't have enough experience or production to get any more than that. Gudbranson will get a raise, but no more than an additional 1 million to get up to 3.5.
The big ones will be Trocheck, Pirri, and of course Barkov. They're under club control for a while still, so they won't get ridiculous raises, but they'll make a heck of a lot more than they currently do (all under 1 million). That will eat up the 6 million alone, but losing Mitchell, Campbell, Shawn Thornton, and Jagr, as well as the 2.2 million retained on Versteeg that expires, would drop the salary level by 18.5 million. There's plenty and plenty of cap space to work with, even if they wanted to re-sign some of those veterans.
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
Well if the rumor is Dano for Huberdeau then the Flames could match that one of Porier/Jankowski/Klimchuck plus one of Hickey/Anderson/Kylington?
Is Huberdeau worth 2 top prospects in the organization?
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Yes. Especially if those are the best prospects you could offer. He's already a top line NHLer at 22 with several years of experience. Quite frankly, I doubt that any combination of any of those two lists would get it done.
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Originally Posted by Samonadreau
If this is true they should probably dump someone else's cap. Huberdeau should be one of the untouchables on that team.
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He is. Top line winger just coming into his own and already has excellent chemistry with Barkov.
Quite frankly, if they had to find cap space they'd be likely to buy out Dave Bolland. He's been a healthy scratch of late.
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12-31-2015, 12:42 PM
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#4684
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#1 Goaltender
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So Kevin Hayes got ripper by his coach publicly. Could the Rangers be willing to move him ? What will it cost us ? He has size, he's a RW, and had chemistry with Johnny Hockey. He ticks our boxes.
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12-31-2015, 12:45 PM
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#4685
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: CGY
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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
So Kevin Hayes got ripper by his coach publicly. Could the Rangers be willing to move him ? What will it cost us ? He has size, he's a RW, and had chemistry with Johnny Hockey. He ticks our boxes.
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What happened?
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12-31-2015, 12:49 PM
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#4686
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by hockey.modern
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On Hayes Play: "In Kevin’s case I think we made it clear our expectations about him and what we felt he could do were very high and obviously he hasn’t lived up to that. Did we overestimate his possibilities? I don’t know. Time will tell. But I do know what we’re seeing now is not good enough.”
On whether he believes Hayes has worked hard enough: “No, no I don’t. I think that part of work also is just not on the ice and off the ice, but it’s in the preparation. Preparation that permits you to execute on the ice. When I say we’ve reached our tipping point, me and obviously management, those are decisions we discuss. We just felt at this time we felt this was the right thing to do.”
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12-31-2015, 12:51 PM
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#4687
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
The big ones will be Trocheck, Pirri, and of course Barkov. They're under club contr.ol for a while still, so they won't get ridiculous raises, but they'll make a heck of a lot more than they currently do (all under 1 million). That will eat up the 6 million alone,
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Barkov in my opinion is worth 7M+ a year. He's a true #1C
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12-31-2015, 12:54 PM
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#4688
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#1 Goaltender
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No way in hell should Barkov get a 7mill contract. He hasn't ever put up 40 points. I understand how good he is defensively but until he puts up points he isn't a 7mill guy. He will most definitely get a bridge contract around 4-5 mill.
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12-31-2015, 01:03 PM
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#4689
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
No way in hell should Barkov get a 7mill contract. He hasn't ever put up 40 points. I understand how good he is defensively but until he puts up points he isn't a 7mill guy. He will most definitely get a bridge contract around 4-5 mill.
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That's pretty much my thoughts as well. No way an arbitrator would see it any differently either.
Now his next contract, you'll likely see somewhere between 7 and 9 million.
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12-31-2015, 01:07 PM
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#4690
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Franchise Player
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I understand how good he is defensively but until he puts up points he isn't a 7mill guy.
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He is though. He's 20 and on pace for 70 points this year (pro-rated).
He's the best player on a team leading their division. He's big, he's great defensively, he's even a good faceoff player given his age, now he's got the offense going for him.
I think the Panthers would be wise to sign him for long-term now as a bridge-contract could end up to be a Subban situation after he really breaks out.
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12-31-2015, 01:15 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
He is though. He's 20 and on pace for 70 points this year (pro-rated).
He's the best player on a team leading their division. He's big, he's great defensively, he's even a good faceoff player given his age, now he's got the offense going for him.
I think the Panthers would be wise to sign him for long-term now as a bridge-contract could end up to be a Subban situation after he really breaks out.
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Sample size is the issue. The guy scored at a .49 pace his first two years. The last 27 games he has good pace sure, but he has to keep it going at least all year.
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12-31-2015, 01:15 PM
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#4692
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
He is though. He's 20 and on pace for 70 points this year (pro-rated).
He's the best player on a team leading their division. He's big, he's great defensively, he's even a good faceoff player given his age, now he's got the offense going for him.
I think the Panthers would be wise to sign him for long-term now as a bridge-contract could end up to be a Subban situation after he really breaks out.
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I think he's a good player but going back to his draft year he's kind of been injury prone and why pay him more than you have to as he's not a $7 million center right now. I don't think Monahan is a $7 million player right now and he's accomplished a heck of a lot more than Barkov has.
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12-31-2015, 01:23 PM
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#4693
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
Sample size is the issue. The guy scored at a .49 pace his first two years. The last 27 games he has good pace sure, but he has to keep it going at least all year.
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I don't think the first 2 years matter too much with respect to his offensive output. He was 18 and 19 on teams who's offensive leaders finished with 38 and 54 points, respectively.
He's 20 now and has become the offensive leader of his team.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I think he's a good player but going back to his draft year he's kind of been injury prone and why pay him more than you have to as he's not a $7 million center right now. I don't think Monahan is a $7 million player right now and he's accomplished a heck of a lot more than Barkov has.
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I'm not too hung up on the actual price tag. I just think Barkov might be a player who you want to sign long-term now and forego the bridge contract. Unlike other young players who usually need to find their way defensively and mature, he seems to have that figured out. Now that he has offense going for him, he's looking like the complete package.
(And while I love Monahan, for these last 20 games of Barkov's I don't think Monahan has ever played at that level.)
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12-31-2015, 01:42 PM
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#4694
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Looking at how bad Bernier has been the Flames would need to send back at least one of their bad contracts.
Bernier and Polak for Hiller and Wideman is not a good deal for the Flames as Wideman is still a very useful player.
Not sure the Leafs want to cut into their Stamkos space but I would want to do Hiller, Raymond, Wideman for Bernier, Grabner, Polak. Flames get 2 expirings and the Leafs get 1. The Glamea take on the riskiest contract of the 6 but get some cap relief next year if they let Grabner and Polak walk.
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12-31-2015, 01:53 PM
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#4695
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
So Kevin Hayes got ripper by his coach publicly. Could the Rangers be willing to move him ? What will it cost us ? He has size, he's a RW, and had chemistry with Johnny Hockey. He ticks our boxes.
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That's what she said!
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12-31-2015, 01:57 PM
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#4696
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor
No way in hell should Barkov get a 7mill contract. He hasn't ever put up 40 points.
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He's 20 years old and is 4 points under a PPG. He'd have to fall off hard to finish under 60 or even 70. He faces top competition every day and has his team near the top of his conference as their best player.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I think he's a good player but going back to his draft year he's kind of been injury prone and why pay him more than you have to as he's not a $7 million center right now. I don't think Monahan is a $7 million player right now and he's accomplished a heck of a lot more than Barkov has.
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I don't think Monahan is a 6.5 million player right now. But he's also a year older and not remotely as good defensively or in possession as Barkov.
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12-31-2015, 02:00 PM
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#4697
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
That's what she said!
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12-31-2015, 02:04 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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But you've pro-rated his stats. So at his current production rate and 45 games remaining he would get 38 points. Add to his 23. 51 points. Pro-rated doesn't mean much and I'm sure everyone would agree if we were talking about an Oiler forward. Good player but I don't think he deserves 7 million yet. He very well might in the future though so if you lock him up long term it could pay off. Or it could not. Since he is a Panther though I could really care less either way.
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12-31-2015, 02:08 PM
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#4699
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Hackey
But you've pro-rated his stats. So at his current production rate and 45 games remaining he would get 38 points. Add to his 23. 51 points. Pro-rated doesn't mean much and I'm sure everyone would agree if we were talking about an Oiler forward. Good player but I don't think he deserves 7 million yet. He very well might in the future though so if you lock him up long term it could pay off. Or it could not. Since he is a Panther though I could really care less either way.
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It's not about stats. It's about skills. Even when he was putting up under 40 Points in previous seasons he had the offensive skill where his production didn't make sense. Right now his production makes more sense and the Jagr/Barkov line is one of the most dominant in the league because of their skill. It's not luck. Maybe he goes cold and finishes the season with 58 points. But 58 points while being dominant are worth more than the "Phil Kessel 80" that gets overvalued.
This was a #2 overall pick taken ahead of Seth Jones here. We're not talking about Josh Jooris.
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12-31-2015, 02:41 PM
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#4700
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I believe in the Pony Power
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
It's not about stats. It's about skills. Even when he was putting up under 40 Points in previous seasons he had the offensive skill where his production didn't make sense. Right now his production makes more sense and the Jagr/Barkov line is one of the most dominant in the league because of their skill. It's not luck. Maybe he goes cold and finishes the season with 58 points. But 58 points while being dominant are worth more than the "Phil Kessel 80" that gets overvalued.
This was a #2 overall pick taken ahead of Seth Jones here. We're not talking about Josh Jooris.
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Agreed - they can go for a bridge deal but it may end up costing them more in the long-run. Anyone who watches the Panthers closely knows that Barkov is their best and most improtant player.
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