This statement is so wrong it isn't funny. You know why so many bands vocalists imitated Vedder? Because you don't have to be able to sing worth a damn to do so. I am not a huge Axl Rose fan but he has oodles more talent as a vocalist than Vedder.
I watched Pearl Jam 20 last night and thought his range seemed pretty good. Certainly not a "yoddle" that some prior poster used to describe. Or at least that's not what the majority is. I recognize where the yoddle comment comes from, but it's not the prevailing theme in all their music (why I mentioned range seemed pretty good, not technically like trout posted about, but more the range an average music fan would notice).
It's pretty funny. Looking back at the last music thread I read, I can't recall the topic but it seemed to 99% be Pearl Jam vs. Smashing Pumpkins. I could tell any Smashing Pumpkins song because they guy sounds the same because that's his voice, much like Vedder, much like the Beatles, much like.... I hardly see that as being a negative. It's pretty hard for your vocals to not sound the same.
Also why does Pearl Jam always get brought up. It's like they're the modern day comparison for success. Which if they're always brought up in these discussions (even by the critics) wouldn't that be a slight indication of success?
Ah well, the discussion prompted me to watch 20 again and I enjoyed it, will be loading my music with some PJ to enjoy for the next little while.
G n R would be cool - but doubt it would yield much more than a interesting tour if pulled off. Could also see a concert being bad because I'd have little faith in Fat Axel. But loved Appetite and Use Your Illusion I and II.
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Just imagine if Brett Michaels picked Slash over C.C. DeVille. That pretty well altered the landscape of late 80's metal. IMO that's something that worked out best for both sides.
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I watched Pearl Jam 20 last night and thought his range seemed pretty good. Certainly not a "yoddle" that some prior poster used to describe.
It's pretty funny. Looking back at the last music thread I read, I can't recall the topic but it seemed to 99% be Pearl Jam vs. Smashing Pumpkins. I could tell any Smashing Pumpkins song because they guy sounds the same because that's his voice, much like Vedder, much like the Beatles, much like.... I hardly see that as being a negative. It's pretty hard for your vocals to not sound the same.
Also why does Pearl Jam always get brought up. It's like they're the modern day comparison for success. Which if they're always brought up in these discussions (even by the critics) wouldn't that be a slight indication of success?
Ah well, the discussion prompted me to watch 20 again and I enjoyed it, will be loading my music with some PJ to enjoy for the next little while.
G n R would be cool - but doubt it would yield much more than a interesting tour if pulled off. Could also see a concert being bad because I'd have little faith in Fat Axel. But loved Appetite and Use Your Illusion I and II.
Pearl Jam's success has always been very fascinating to follow. They're a very rare mainstream band in that they rarely make the radio with hits off their albums, but yet continue to sell out hockey arenas, even 23 later.
Billy Corgon was even whining about it a couple years ago, asking what the hell are Pearl Jam doing to sell out hockey arenas that "outsiders" are apparently missing? I guess the answer could be any combination of - They've typically done things the "right" way, always writing albums, not singles (after Ten, anyways), they have an incredible live show that features a brand new set list every night, they charge very reasonable prices, maybe Eddies vocals are more attractive than haters care to admit.
Who knows, but for whatever reason Pearl Jam remains relevant year after year while everyone around them has slipped away. I even thought Soundgarden would come back strong but then they came back and tried to get 1996 soundgarden capital from their shows and ended up playing to half empty arenas.
Just imagine if Brett Michaels picked Slash over C.C. DeVille. That pretty well altered the landscape of late 80's metal. IMO that's something that worked out best for both sides.
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Pearl Jam's success has always been very fascinating to follow. They're a very rare mainstream band in that they rarely make the radio with hits off their albums, but yet continue to sell out hockey arenas, even 23 later.
Billy Corgon was even whining about it a couple years ago, asking what the hell are Pearl Jam doing to sell out hockey arenas that "outsiders" are apparently missing? I guess the answer could be any combination of - They've typically done things the "right" way, always writing albums, not singles (after Ten, anyways), they have an incredible live show that features a brand new set list every night, they charge very reasonable prices, maybe Eddies vocals are more attractive than haters care to admit.
Who knows, but for whatever reason Pearl Jam remains relevant year after year while everyone around them has slipped away. I even thought Soundgarden would come back strong but then they came back and tried to get 1996 soundgarden capital from their shows and ended up playing to half empty arenas.
Cool, found that interesting to read. I'd also wonder that perhaps they were/are quite unique (even if there was copycats) and if you liked them there's little alternative which makes the fans willing to come back for more. To be honest I haven't bought a Pearl Jam product that wasn't Ten, Vs., Vitalogy, No Code. But I will go to a Calgary (or close) concert whenever they have one because I enjoy all the songs from those albums immensely and am able to enjoy whatever else they play regardless of familiarity with it.
Re: the bolded part, is someone as arrogant as BC able to think outside his box? He thinks he's the best, Pearl Jam sucks, so assumes people must be missing something, vs. maybe they're better than he thinks and he's not as awesome as he thinks.
Yeah C.C. and Slash were the two finalists for Poison guitarist. I could just never imagine Slash grinding out a Talk Dirty To Me or Unskinny Bop type song.
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The other members of Pearl Jam are really often overlooked - but a lot of their success and longevity should be attributed to them. Its basically been the same guys the entire time (I think Matt Cameron is the only non-original member, and hes been in the band for like 15 years now).
On the other hand, Smashing Pumpkins really is just Billy Corgan these days. At the peak of SP the other members had a massive influence that is really missing these days.
On the other hand, Smashing Pumpkins really is just Billy Corgan these days. At the peak of SP the other members had a massive influence that is really missing these days.
I could be wrong on this, but I thought Billy corgan wrote all the songs and even recorded all the guitar and bass tracks for the older albums.
If you guys ever get 40 mins to watch a vid, check out this interview with Billy Corgan on CBC's Q with Jian Gomeshi. Yes, he's arrogant, but he's fascinating to listen to. I love how his views don't really fit the typical definition of a rockstar. The whole interview is great, but to the point of this discussion and his bewilderment at Pearl Jam's success, I really enjoyed hearing his take on Smashing Pumpkins.
He basically equated his band to a sports team, in that over time it evolves and gets better and younger (obviously a shot at former members who he talked about lacking skill). Stating that the Smashing Pumpkins aren't a collection of identifiable people, it's an entity with a message, a vision, a brand.
He then went on to say that he very realistically sees a day where he replaces himself, so even though it's his band, his vision, he's not part of on stage band anymore, but still writes music, and the band just keeps getting younger and stronger. When Jian pushed him a little, saying "what about hardcore fans that feel they really want to see the original lineup?", he went on a rant about how he doesn't owe the fans anything. He's happy they spend money and come out to watch, but that's the extent of their relationship, and they shouldn't feel any entitlement to his band.
Honestly, check it out if you get 40 mins, he's fascinating to listen to.
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I like Billy Corgan. Yes he is very confident in himself to the point of arrogance but he's also incredibly talented. It's no coincidence that Courtney Love's most successful album is the one Corgan helped write and produce.
Honestly, check it out if you get 40 mins, he's fascinating to listen to.
Heh, Corgan is still Corgan. Can't say I've ever really liked him, or Smashing Pumpkins for that matter, but he's still one of the more interesting people in the music business. Often well worth listening to.
(I always felt that whole 90's American angst rock scene was ultimately rather shallow and self-centered, and not really that interesting musically, so I never really connected with any of the big bands of that era.)
Guns N' Roses -- complete with founding members Axl Rose and Slash -- will reunite to headline the Coachella Music & Arts Festival in April 2016 ... this according to several reports.
The plan is for GNR to then go out on tour in the summer of 2016 and to possibly be one of the first acts to play the new Las Vegas Arena.
As if there was much doubt, this is all about money. Apparently asking for $8 million to headline Rockfest in Montebello, QC. So I would imagine tickets to shows of just GNR will be absolutely absurd.
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Anyone else think it's hilarious that they think they could pull off a football stadium tour?
This isn't the 80's anymore Axl. Not even the biggest pop acts in the world can come close to consistently selling out a 40,000+ stadium tour. Let alone a band that was popular more than 20 years ago.
Anyone else think it's hilarious that they think they could pull off a football stadium tour?
This isn't the 80's anymore Axl. Not even the biggest pop acts in the world can come close to consistently selling out a 40,000+ stadium tour. Let alone a band that was popular more than 20 years ago.
I hope this Izzyless mess falls flat on it's face.
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