[PGT] Ducks 1 Flames 0

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

They laughed at an injured Brendan Morrison. That's way more unsportsmanlike in my mind

sure and that should be punished too. They laughed at Backes too.

But nothing to the level of the Ducks.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It isn't so much that Anaheim neutralized the Flames' offence due to the trap. It is the trap + size that makes it happen.

Anaheim basically clogs up the neutral zone and eliminates the stretch pass + removes time and space for a puck carrier trying to enter the zone. You counter that with gaining the red line and dumping it in, and going hard on the forecheck and trying to create off the cycle. Flames are still an undersized team, and against the Quacks, makes it a difficult task indeed.

They can also make shorter passing plays up through the neutral zone, but these were just continually off all game.

Hat's off to Wideman. Went after Kesler without hesitation. Also, not sure where the panel was coming from - Ferland was right there and was trying to find a partner.

Flames will be fired-up next game against LA, and definitely next game against Anaheim. Anaheim sucks this year, and they just pissed off the Flames who - outside of this game - were playing really good hockey. It is a good time to bet against the Honda Center Curse.

The biggest positive from this game is that the Ducks game planned for the Flames, not the other way around. They played the game plan well and won as a result, but in the last few years the Flames would be saying "how do we defend Perry and Getzlaf?" Now they are saying "we need to adjust for Gaudreau and the defence".

[Huntingwhale]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: forget about oversized goalies/equipment holding back scoring. The lack of entertainment in today's NHL stems from the game being over coached. Case in point, Bruce Boudreau. He absolutely sucked the life out of the game. But he did what boring coaches do. He shut down the flow of the game and got the win. Hartley had no answer and the Flames couldn't generate anything all night. Larger nets or smaller equipment aren't going to solve the issue of less scoring chances these days. Boring ass coaching systems are ruining today's NHL game.

I couldn't imagine having paid hard earned money for this game. Duck games remind me of the Wild games that we had to suffer through for so long.

Regroup and come back stronger next game.

[Gaskal]

What do you do vs neutral zone traps like that other than the dump in with speed? The Flames don't have the physicality to match the Ducks along the boards, or they shy away from it.

Maybe just cycling and circling back endlessly, Euro style?

[Mony]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

St. Louis
Anaheim
Chicago
NYR
LA

Worst 5 match ups for this team in order. LA would be higher but despite their physicality we've managed to get some results vs them the past few years.

I'd take Chicago and LA out from the top 5. We've split games against them the past few years.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

What do you do vs neutral zone traps like that other than the dump in with speed? The Flames don't have the physicality to match the Ducks along the boards, or they shy away from it.

Maybe just cycling and circling back endlessly, Euro style?

Go with a triple attack

1. Dman circles pack, forwards circle back and circle again to gain speed for shorter passes. Don't force pucks through the neutral zone, do not make plays at the blueline. Dump it in or skate it in, no dekes or passes at the blueline as the trap is designed to pick those off.

2. shoot the puck in along the boards behind the net, try to pass to the weakside opposite of where the d are standing up at the blueline

3. More give and go puck support, always have a support man 5-10 feet behind the puck so he can be passed to, when the d are standing at the blueline skate much more laterally and the skaters without the puck should be forcing open passing lanes so that there are multiple offensive passing options at a time when the puck carrier is attempting to go through the neutral zone. Once the carrier approaches the line, dump it or skate it.

The trap gives you time and space so the best option is to utilize that time and space and stop trying to skate directly through the 3 defenders standing at the line. I'm a big fan of shoot it along the boards behind the net, it keeps the puck moving and forces the opposition away from where they are standing. Get the centreman and the winger on that puck and it can regularly be a 2 on 1 puck battle.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Why does it have to be either/or? Discipline is not just about violence. Its about sportsmanship too. Fans dont want to see that crap.

Kesler doesnt even need to chase that puck. Game was over once he cleared it.

So were you calling for a Ferland suspension when he chased down that puck at the end of the Nucks series last year? Up by two, no need for him to bolt like that and ice one with less than a second left, or does the fact that he just made it in before the horn make all the difference?

I do want to see that crap that Kessler did as a fan, cause it makes me hate him. And he managed to make me hate him without doing something that risks injury to other players (Burrows style). And anything that builds rivalry and emotion is good entertainment and for me is exactly what sport is suppose to be about. Being a good sport shouldn't be mandated by the league, it's just something that people should aspire too. How boring would sport be if there were no Vilans and heros beyond which jersey the players wear because the league regulated behaviour and sportsmanship?

[GettinIggyWithIt]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So were you calling for a Ferland suspension when he chased down that puck at the end of the Nucks series last year? Up by two, no need for him to bolt like that and ice one with less than a second left, or does the fact that he just made it in before the horn make all the difference?

Of course it does. One play happened with time left in regulation and the other happened after the whistle. There's a difference between competing to the end of the whistle and just plain unsportsmanlike behaviour.

Same as taking a shot at the goalie after the whistle is blown imo. Same thing that ticked me off about Chabot doing it against the US in the Canada-US game after the play was blown dead.

EDIT - To be clear I am not advocating for a suspension necessarily - just pointing out the difference between the two plays.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I completely agree with you to be clear. The buzzer going makes one a much bigger sign of disrespect than the other. But let's also be clear, what Ferland did was not "the sportsman like" thing to do either, and would have provoked a similar response as what we saw last night if Hartley had left him out for that final face off.

Point being, where do you draw the line if you are going to start suspending folks for lack of sportsmanship? I love that we hate Kesler, and that likely the Nucks fans hate Ferland. It's fricken entertaining, and as I mentioned before, for all the right reasons.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So were you calling for a Ferland suspension when he chased down that puck at the end of the Nucks series last year? Up by two, no need for him to bolt like that and ice one with less than a second left, or does the fact that he just made it in before the horn make all the difference?

I do want to see that crap that Kessler did as a fan, cause it makes me hate him. And he managed to make me hate him without doing something that risks injury to other players (Burrows style). And anything that builds rivalry and emotion is good entertainment and for me is exactly what sport is suppose to be about. Being a good sport shouldn't be mandated by the league, it's just something that people should aspire too. How boring would sport be if there were no Vilans and heros beyond which jersey the players wear because the league regulated behaviour and sportsmanship?

You never, ever, EVER let up when you are playing professional hockey. Ever. You play 100% from whistle to whistle, from buzzer to buzzer. Sportsmanlike conduct is you respect your opponent enough that you take them seriously every single second of the match.

If Ferly did a loop with the puck instead of shooting it, that would be more insulting to the Canucks than him scoring. Furthermore, if I were the coach I would bench him for letting up.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So were you calling for a Ferland suspension when he chased down that puck at the end of the Nucks series last year? Up by two, no need for him to bolt like that and ice one with less than a second left, or does the fact that he just made it in before the horn make all the difference?

I do want to see that crap that Kessler did as a fan, cause it makes me hate him. And he managed to make me hate him without doing something that risks injury to other players (Burrows style). And anything that builds rivalry and emotion is good entertainment and for me is exactly what sport is suppose to be about. Being a good sport shouldn't be mandated by the league, it's just something that people should aspire too. How boring would sport be if there were no Vilans and heros beyond which jersey the players wear because the league regulated behaviour and sportsmanship?

that's every other sport in the world.

Ferland's was well before the horn still within the 60 minutes of play.

[Wiggum_PI]

The Ferland goal was also in a playoff game, which is different then game #36 of the regular season.

Every player should play hard till the final buzzer, but when the game is over you don't shoot the puck into the opponents empty net. Kessler got exactly what he deserved.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

that's every other sport in the world.

Ferland's was well before the horn still within the 60 minutes of play.

The penalty was the discipline. You can't start suspending players for that. No other sports do that.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How boring would sport be if there were no Vilans and heros beyond which jersey the players wear because the league regulated behaviour and sportsmanship?

Could you just not watch the WWE?

[Resolute 14]

This entire argument is inane.

[SHOGUN]

I find it funny that some people think Wideman mugging Kesler was the direct result from him shooting at the open net... yeah right. Kesler had been hacking Gaudreau all time and even before the games they play... and no one does a thing.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You never, ever, EVER let up when you are playing professional hockey. Ever. You play 100% from whistle to whistle, from buzzer to buzzer. Sportsmanlike conduct is you respect your opponent enough that you take them seriously every single second of the match.

If Ferly did a loop with the puck instead of shooting it, that would be more insulting to the Canucks than him scoring. Furthermore, if I were the coach I would bench him for letting up.

I agree with your principal, but that doesn't apply to the Ferland goal. In fact if wager Ferly might not have won that race to the puck if the Nucks hadn't let up, the game and the series were over, everyone knew it, including Hartley which is why he pulled him of the ice for the last face off.

As for it being more unsportsmanlike not to score, I'd wager everyone in the NHL would disagree with you, and I know for sure the 04 Flames would. Anyway, this is about to disintegrate to a stupid debate where everyone in here defends Ferly cause he's ours and villifies Kesler cause we hate him and we all just come up with whatever we can think of to defend our own guy and not realize we are just being bias.

The point being, suspensions for unsportsmanlike plays like the one last night would be silly and will suck all the life and personality out of the game.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

that's every other sport in the world.

Ferland's was well before the horn still within the 60 minutes of play.

I think you'll need to expand on that, cause other than the NFL who tries, I'm not sure you are correct, and even if you were, you'd need to explain why that's a good thing. I think you're just sad right now cause a player you don't like just rubbed salt in the wound of a loss to your favourite hockey team. I don't think the entertaining answer is to ask mommy and daddy to make it stop, if the Flames don't want Kesler acting like a DB they should make sure they don't give him that opportunity again.

Also kast time I checked, the Bautista bat chuck was all the rage ��

[GirlySports]

A Ryan Kesler type personality doesn't exist in any sport. There are unwritten rules that are not crossed, or maybe once. Kesler does it continuously.

Bautista did it once, in a big game. If he did continuously the league would look at it like they do with a guy like the Mets Carlos Gomez who has been suspended at least once for that stuff.

If we are to ban fighting eventually, then we have to ban that stuff too. They go hand in hand. Cause you can't suspended Wideman for fighting and not Kesler in the future.

[heep223]

Even if a guy did that in beer league, he'd get chirped pretty good. It's just something you don't do - anyone saying differently probably has never played hockey. You don't fire the puck into the net or at the goalie after the whistle, it's very taboo.

Kesler doing it is cocky arrogance - he knew exactly what he was doing. Wideman did what needed to be done.