2 Mac's employees killed in 2 separate stores in Edmonton

[Clarkey]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

https://www.facebook.com/colton.steinhauer?fref=ts

scary lookin f'r

I'm guilty of judging a book by the cover but there are dozens if not hundreds of other guys who look equally sketchy that he's 'friends' with on his facebook. I'm not saying they're all capable of murder but there are some bad looking dudes on there.

[CampbellsTransgressions]

Edit: Nevermind. GoFundMe are taking 5%. I'm assuming it's better to just go with an Interac EMT.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Wannabe gangster pieces of garbage.

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There should be a law that people that look like that should be offered/forced help before a crime happens, because 99.9% of the time it's a certainty one will.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by T@T

There should be a law that people that look like that should be offered/forced help before a crime happens, because 99.9% of the time it's a certainty one will.

I have an idea.

Why don't we take people that look a certain way and sterilize them so they can't have any kids.

Edit: I get what these guys did is terrible, but stereotypes don't do people any good.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

I have the other reaction when someone this young kills someone. Society failed this 13 year old kid. Yeah he needs to be locked away because he's likely unredeemable but society failed him.

What do we do with kids who are raised in a toxic environment? Take them away from their parents? OK. Well, we don't have orphanages anymore, and we know how the residential school system turned out. Taking native children away from their homes is a highly politicized issue. How many people are out there are offering to adopt badly socialized 7-year olds, maybe with fetal alcohol syndrome? Not many - and hats off to people who do. But you can't even get Canadians to adopt newborn infants from disadvantaged parents with substance abuse issues (they'd rather spend tens of thousands of dollars and adopt from China), let alone older children or youths.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I have an idea.

Why don't we take people that look a certain way and sterilize them so they can't have any kids.

Edit: I get what these guys did is terrible, but stereotypes don't do people any good.

Like it or not, it's been here for the history of man, these type of idiots look that way because they feel that way and 99% of the time act that way, ask yourself, would you pick them up hitchhiking or invite them into your home?.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by T@T

Like it or not, it's been here for the history of man, these type of idiots look that way because they feel that way and 99% of the time act that way, ask yourself, would you pick them up hitchhiking or invite them into your home?.

The odds of picking up anyone hitchhiking are very low, so that's a bad example, but I know people who look like this who I have no issues with them being in my house or with my kids.

The way someone looks shouldn't force them into some kind of treatment program. The fact that you think this is a defensible position to hold is kind of strange, to be honest. They have sunglasses and ink, and they don't look 100% pureblood white. #### son, call the cops. I think I saw a hoodie in the closet as well...

Edit: seriously, these guys look like pretty normal guys. I will admit, I have only seen these 2 pictures but it's not something I would even blink twice at

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

What do we do with kids who are raised in a toxic environment? Take them away from their parents? OK. Well, we don't have orphanages anymore, and we know how the residential school system turned out. Taking native children away from their homes is a highly politicized issue. How many people are out there are offering to adopt badly socialized 7-year olds, maybe with fetal alcohol syndrome? Not many - and hats off to people who do. But you can't even get Canadians to adopt newborn infants from disadvantaged parents with substance abuse issues (they'd rather spend tens of thousands of dollars and adopt from China), let alone older children or youths.

I don't know the solutions. Somehow society needs to improve its delivery of services to disadvantaged people. I think training parents to be better parents is a start. Because at the root of these problems is poor pre-natal health, poor early childhood, poor childhood and poor adolescence. These children are a symptom of the parents who had them so fixing the parents and the people having the kids needs to be done first but that is difficult to get support for because people will say that you are throwing money away at people who made choices to get where they are and should instead focus on the children who are innocent.

I don't know, its why these types of crimes make me sad rather than outraged. Sad for the victims, sad that society couldn't save a kid.

[afc wimbledon]

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

[bax]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

Really provides perspective into how deeply rooted a lot of these issues are in our society.

Props to you for helping. I bet there have been quite a few tough times for you

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

This post is a very nice contrast to the typical "oh guess what type of people they were. We should uhhhh like......pre-arrest everyone that looks like this".

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

I did a ton of legal aid work as a defence lawyer to kids around Northern Manitoba reserves for years. I couldnt agree more with the above post. Many of these kids don't have a chance. If I was raised in their place, I would be no different.

My wife is from a reserve. She had a mother who was the exception. Didn't drink, do drugs, worked, made her kids work hard. My wife is a lawyer. Her brother is in the film production industry. Her cousins who were raised by parents who were disasters? In jail.

I had a longtime probation officer for one community once tell me that when he started out 25 years ago he thought he could make a difference and save kids, but he quickly realized that it was impossible. Meeting someone a few times a week can't overcome a disasterous home life.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

that's pretty cool and you should be proud even though you may not think of yourself as a miracle worker.

[OMG!WTF!]

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/accused...oard-1.2710962

The parole board documents detail how Delorme was raised by his parents in a home "free from any type of abuse,"

So, two years for selling crack, car jacking, assault with a weapon, and sh'tty jail behavior? Two years? He'd never have seen the light of day in most States.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/accused...oard-1.2710962



So, two years for selling crack, car jacking, assault with a weapon, and sh'tty jail behavior? Two years? He'd never have seen the light of day in most States.

Canada probably has the most lenient justice system in the world. And that's after the Conservatives toughened up the criminal code.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

that's pretty cool and you should be proud even though you may not think of yourself as a miracle worker.

I'm proud of my boys, and I love what I do, even when it gets a bit hairy.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

As previously mentioned, I'm a foster parent, I take what are considered high risk kids, down town east side street youth, kids the system pretty well considers a write off.
Last night I had a pre Christmas drink with two off my old kids, now in their mid twenties, ones a kitchen manager, the other halfway through his B.A at UBC, I got a call from another lad today, radar operator in the navy.
I'm not a miracle worker, given half a chance these kids do fine, unfortunately they are rarely given a chance.

Well said.

We have 2 right now, both of which would have gone down a very different paths if they were not given guidance and a clean slate to work from. Not saying they won't have issues.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Canada probably has the most lenient justice system in the world. And that's after the Conservatives toughened up the criminal code.

Conversely, I wouldn't describe the US's criminal policy on drugs a glaring success story.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

Canada probably has the most lenient justice system in the world. And that's after the Conservatives toughened up the criminal code.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...ed-like-people

From the warden of the prison:

"In closed prisons we keep them locked up for some years and then let them back out, not having had any real responsibility for working or cooking. In the law, being sent to prison is nothing to do with putting you in a terrible prison to make you suffer. The punishment is that you lose your freedom. If we treat people like animals when they are in prison they are likely to behave like animals. Here we pay attention to you as human beings."

Less than 30% of the inmates in this prison re-offend. Nobody likes to think of criminals as people, but they still have lives after jail. I would guess that for most, the impact their conviction and incarceration has had on their lives is VASTLY disproportionate to their crime. It seems wasteful to abandon so much human potential.

[Northendzone]

i checked linkedin, surprisingly this dude was not on there