2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Night and day between how he started the year and how he's playing now. Maybe not Norris Trophy caliber quite yet, but 'not even close' is a bit misleading imo. He's playing much, much better.

Playing a lot better, yes. Norris Trophy caliber? Not even close, and not misleading. Giordano isn't even in the same stratosphere as Brodie, and I would confidently say that Brodie is not even remotely close to Norris discussion. Gio will have to surpass Brodie, and then make people believe he's better than the Doughtys, Karlsson, Webers, etc. of the league. Playing better? Hell yes. Norris Trophy level? Not even remotely close.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Playing a lot better, yes. Norris Trophy caliber? Not even close, and not misleading. Giordano isn't even in the same stratosphere as Brodie, and I would confidently say that Brodie is not even remotely close to Norris discussion. Gio will have to surpass Brodie, and then make people believe he's better than the Doughtys, Karlsson, Webers, etc. of the league. Playing better? Hell yes. Norris Trophy level? Not even remotely close.

Gio's play the past few games isn't as far behind Brodie's as you're making it sound. And the reason Brodie isn't in the Norris talk right now is due mainly to him missing so many games, not because he isn't good enough. He's definitely one of the best d-men in the league.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

Ryjo right now is Jankos peak. I highly doubt Janko ever becomes the player Ryuo does. Not to mention I don't think that would set anything in stone. Janko could still have a spot in the top 6 if he plays to that level.

I havnt said anything about "Ryjo's" ceiling or Jankos for that matter. But when you're 1 through 4 deep if you bring on Johanson, doesn't that make a guy like Jankowski consider his options? Which I wouldn't blame him one bit. The kid has done everything g the organization has asked of him.

Furthermore, Johanson has the potential to be a number one center, but there is a character issue, no? Or at least one has to wonder if there is.

And then to add, the price to acquire.. Kokalainen is going g to demand a kings ransom.

Stay the course!

[Flash Walken]

Yeah, Giordano has been improving.

he's had a pretty good 10 games after a pretty awful 15 games.

I think hamilton is playing better hockey right now.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Itt: we all talk in extreme hyperbole

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by New Era

Playing a lot better, yes. Norris Trophy caliber? Not even close, and not misleading. Giordano isn't even in the same stratosphere as Brodie, and I would confidently say that Brodie is not even remotely close to Norris discussion. Gio will have to surpass Brodie, and then make people believe he's better than the Doughtys, Karlsson, Webers, etc. of the league. Playing better? Hell yes. Norris Trophy level? Not even remotely close.

How about we just stop using the term "Norris caliber" until a Flame wins it or is a nominee. There is nothing "Norris caliber" about 30th on PP and 30th on PK.

Gio Brodie and Hamilton are great players but they are a notch below the truly elite D in the league.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Gio Brodie and Hamilton are great players but they are a notch below the truly elite D in the league.

Yeah, I disagree with Giordano being Norris caliber, but Brodie is there. Giordano, not even close. I would argue that Gio has been the most over-rated defensemen in the league, buy a wide margin, not in consideration of the Norris. Frankly, other fans of other teams would look at Giordano and consider him one of the weakest links in the lineup, and that says something when you have Wideman and Russell in the lineup. Gio has improved, but come on, he's way below elite in this league.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, I disagree with Giordano being Norris caliber, but Brodie is there. Giordano, not even close. I would argue that Gio has been the most over-rated defensemen in the league, buy a wide margin, not in consideration of the Norris. Frankly, other fans of other teams would look at Giordano and consider him one of the weakest links in the lineup, and that says something when you have Wideman and Russell in the lineup. Gio has improved, but come on, he's way below elite in this league.

I can't describe how bad this post is. Weakest link? lol

[Hackey]

We might have to pull the trigger on Bernier before he gets too many more shutouts.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by New Era

Yeah, I disagree with Giordano being Norris caliber, but Brodie is there. Giordano, not even close. I would argue that Gio has been the most over-rated defensemen in the league, buy a wide margin, not in consideration of the Norris. Frankly, other fans of other teams would look at Giordano and consider him one of the weakest links in the lineup, and that says something when you have Wideman and Russell in the lineup. Gio has improved, but come on, he's way below elite in this league.

Posts like this make it hard to take any of your opinions seriously.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm a little teapot short and stout.
Here is my handle.
Here is my spout.
When I get all steamed up,
Hear me shout!
Just tip me over
And pour me out
I'm a clever teapot, yes it's true.
Here's an example of what I can do.
I can turn my handle to a spout.
Just tip me over and pour me out

Best post you've ever made.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can't describe how bad this post is. Weakest link? lol

Sorry, ask the fans of other teams. Listen to the commentators from other teams. They will tell you just what you don't want to know. Giordano has been one of Calgary's weakest links this year. Giordano has not played up to the level expected of him. Flames fans, and many on this board will have to admit to it, have been talking up Gio as the 2nd coming of James Norris prior to this season and through the beginning of the season. Reality is that Gio has been ####ing awful, up until the last few games. Considering we are in game 32, that means we've been grossly over-rating his play and the level he's been playing at. He's improved his play since the start of the season, but he's got a long way to go.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Best post you've ever made.

Thanks man. Shouldn't you be telling people how bad certain prospects are, even though those feeds you claim to be watching aren't available in Canada, rather than focusing on my opinions of our players?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sorry, ask the fans of other teams. Listen to the commentators from other teams. They will tell you just what you don't want to know. Giordano has been one of Calgary's weakest links this year. Giordano has not played up to the level expected of him. Flames fans, and many on this board will have to admit to it, have been talking up Gio as the 2nd coming of James Norris prior to this season and through the beginning of the season. Reality is that Gio has been ####ing awful, up until the last few games. Considering we are in game 32, that means we've been grossly over-rating his play and the level he's been playing at. He's improved his play since the start of the season, but he's got a long way to go.



Thanks man. Shouldn't you be telling people how bad certain prospects are, even though those feeds you claim to be watching aren't available in Canada, rather than focusing on my opinions of our players?

General opinion is always 1-2 years behind when it comes to the relevancy of hockey players, no need to get twisted up about it. Gio may not be a Norris candidate but he is a solid 3/4 at worst and if that's all we get, that's all we get. Fact of the matter is that 6.75m is only about 1-2m overpaid in today's climate. Lets re-visit this when Gio starts looking like Wideman and Russell.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Giordano has been one of Calgary's weakest links this year.

Good God this is brutal.

This couldn't be a bigger example of hyperbole. Why do you have to take it to such a ranting extreme? You can suggest he's been below expectation so far this year without calling him "the weakest link". The guy plays top minutes against the best players in the NHL.

I agree it makes it hard to take anything you say seriously when you continue to grossly exaggerate to make your point. It's completely unnecessary.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

How about we just stop using the term "Norris caliber" until a Flame wins it or is a nominee. There is nothing "Norris caliber" about 30th on PP and 30th on PK.

Gio Brodie and Hamilton are great players but they are a notch below the truly elite D in the league.

A couple important things to consider in regard to these two points:

1) A Norris caliber defensman is one who puts up top points in the NHL, because that's who wins that award every year. It's pretty much universally accepted the Norris is an award for top offensive defenseman.

2) TJ Brodie absolutely is an elite d-man at this point. No doubt about it, he's been that good this year.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by New Era

Flames fans, and many on this board will have to admit to it, have been talking up Gio as the 2nd coming of James Norris

People were saying that Giordano was going to amass substantial wealth through the grain and cattle industry?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Sorry, ask the fans of other teams. Listen to the commentators from other teams. They will tell you just what you don't want to know. Giordano has been one of Calgary's weakest links this year. Giordano has not played up to the level expected of him. Flames fans, and many on this board will have to admit to it, have been talking up Gio as the 2nd coming of James Norris prior to this season and through the beginning of the season. Reality is that Gio has been ####ing awful, up until the last few games. Considering we are in game 32, that means we've been grossly over-rating his play and the level he's been playing at. He's improved his play since the start of the season, but he's got a long way to go.



Thanks man. Shouldn't you be telling people how bad certain prospects are, even though those feeds you claim to be watching aren't available in Canada, rather than focusing on my opinions of our players?

How about you watch the games and come to your own opinion instead of what other fans say.

Still talking nonsense are you.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Flames fans, and many on this board will have to admit to it, have been talking up Gio as the 2nd coming of James Norris prior to this season and through the beginning of the season.

Last season before he was hurt he was the favorite to win the Norris.

At the beginning of this season he was pretty terrible (who said he was Norris caliber?), but now he's playing better. Not as good as last season, but he's much improved versus what we saw to begin the year.

[sureLoss]

Garrioch "rumors":

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/12/19/...their-fortunes

Rutherford trying to get the Penguins out of rut by making another deal
Listening to offers on Kunitz and Perron

Betting money is on the Ducks to make a coaching change and Trent Yawney, Paul MacLean, Dallas Eakins and Randy Carlyles names have been mentioned

Treliving and Sakic were the most active GMs working the phones early on the season but both have backed off lately. No more urgency as both teams are back in the playoff picture.

Flames have been sniffing around for goaltending help but options are limited

Once the Kopitar extension is signed, Kings will turn their attention to a Lucic extension

Jets aren't close to re-signing Ladd, Byfyuglien, or Trouba

Lots of interest in Johansen
Wild and Jets are kicking tires.

All quiet on the Marleau front.
Belief Marleau will finish season in San Jose and no one will be surprised if he is still in San Jose next year.

[cofias]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Garrioch "rumors":

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/12/19/...their-fortunes

Rutherford trying to get the Penguins out of rut by making another deal
Listening to offers on Kunitz and Perron

Betting money is on the Ducks to make a coaching change and Trent Yawney, Paul MacLean, Dallas Eakins and Randy Carlyles names have been mentioned

Treliving and Sakic were the most active GMs working the phones early on the season but both have backed off lately. No more urgency as both teams are back in the playoff picture.

Flames have been sniffing around for goaltending help but options are limited

Once the Kopitar extension is signed, Kings will turn their attention to a Lucic extension

Jets aren't close to re-signing Ladd, Byfyuglien, or Trouba

Lots of interest in Johansen
Wild and Jets are kicking tires.

All quiet on the Marleau front.
Belief Marleau will finish season in San Jose and no one will be surprised if he is still in San Jose next year.

Make it so.