Majority of Canadian Conservatives agree with Trump

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by peter12

What is a "Canadian Conservative?"

someone who'll apologize while cutting social funding?

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by peter12

It is actually a hilariously Canadian answer. Like, I could say I would moderately agree with almost anything. Yeah, greater control over our borders, stronger global presence for national industry, support our military. Sure, I moderately agree with all that stuff.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This reads to me that you're pointing to the party or party members. This poll is talking about Voters. And I'm pretty sure that you can poll any voter and find extreme beliefs whether Liberal or Conservative.

Sure, but we're not talking about any belief. We're talking about this one. If you want to start a thread about the number of NDP nutters who are anti-GMO, be my guest.

Please show me where anyone in that party is vocally or social media backing Trumps views, or saying, that Trump is onto something that the Conservative Party would like to replicate

Why is that relevant?

[CroFlames]

The first line of the OP says that you think very real segments of the CPC agree with Trump, while Rona Ambrose unequivocally stated the CPC doesn't associate or agree with Trump at all.

Then your subsequent posts back track that statement when you were called on it.

[PepsiFree]

The same people I know that respond to polls are the same people that represent the absolute worst of a party's supporters amongst my friends.

I'm not surprised by the results. Not because I assume conservatives to be horrible but because I assume people who have time to answer polls to be.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Sure, but we're not talking about any belief. We're talking about this one. If you want to start a thread about the number of NDP nutters who are anti-GMO, be my guest.



Why is that relevant?

Its entirely relevant when you're talking about expelling members of a party because of this poll of voters.

your trying to make a link to a party when the poll is based abound not party members but voters.

[Jbo]

Have to agree with CaptainCrunch. On first read I thought we were talking about the Conservative Party, not conservative voters.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The first line of the OP says that you think very real segments of the CPC agree with Trump, while Rona Ambrose unequivocally stated the CPC doesn't associate or agree with Trump at all.

Then your subsequent posts back track that statement when you were called on it.

Segments of Conservative voters and membership are not the same as CPC leadership or MPs, although they do have the ability to influence CPC policy.

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its entirely relevant when you're talking about expelling members of a party because of this poll of voters.

your trying to make a link to a party when the poll is based abound not party members but voters.

Right, I'm saying that the CPC should be trying to move away from catering to this segment of their base. Are you denying that this segment of social regressives exists? Did we not see numerous examples of the CPC trying to mobilize this segment during the election campaign?

For the record, I think it's good that Ambrose has come out against what Trump has said and is trying to distance the party away from that sentiment, but my opinion is they need to keep moving in that direction. I'm very interested in what happens in the CPC leadership race because it will be telling of how much of a hold that segment still has on shaping party policy.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Jbo

Have to agree with CaptainCrunch. On first read I thought we were talking about the Conservative Party, not conservative voters.

Alright, well then I'll apologize for that if it came across as misleading. Would Conservative voters have been a better title?

[GGG]

If 33% of Canadians support trumps view that Muslims should not be allowed in is pretty brutal.

Who cares about the 55% of Canadians conservatives part. What it really shows is that a large minority of Canadians across the political spectrum agree with trump.

That is disgusting.

1 in 5 liberal and NDP voters support trumps ban on Muslims.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by GGG

If 33% of Canadians support trumps view that Muslims should not be allowed in is pretty brutal.

Who cares about the 55% of Canadians part. What it really shows is that a large minority of Canadians across the political spectrum agree with trump.

That is disgusting.

Which is the other aspect of it. It's actually probably even more depressing that some 20-25% of Liberal and NDP voters agree with Trump because they're supposed to represent the progressive vote.

[nik-]

Sorry, but Liberal is hardly progressive. They're as middle of the road as it gets, they cast a wide wide net to get votes.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by nik-

Sorry, but Liberal is hardly progressive. They're as middle of the road as it gets, they cast a wide wide net to get votes.

Yes, well I was more referring to how the party was trying to frame itself during the campaign.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Alright, well then I'll apologize for that if it came across as misleading. Would Conservative voters have been a better title?

It's all good no need to apologize. Just stating I read it the same way.

As for myself, I consider myself conservative and think Trump is a loony toon.

[GGG]

This shouldn't be even published. It's an Internet poll with no discussion on how the sample was controlled to be representative.

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Alright, well then I'll apologize for that if it came across as misleading. Would Conservative voters have been a better title?

I would start by not capitalizing "conservatives". Small-c is generally the political leaning, big-C is the party.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I would start by not capitalizing "conservatives". Small-c is generally the political leaning, big-C is the party.

Yeah, see I was trying to not implicate people who consider themselves conservative but didn't vote for the party in the election.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by peter12

What is a "Canadian Conservative?"

Originally Posted by rubecube

Canadians who identify as or vote Conservative? The poll seems to make that pretty straightforward.

I really hope Canada doesn't go the way of the U.S. and regard political affiliation as an identity, rather than a choice made at an election. One of the most toxic things about the U.S. is how people are regarded as 'Republicans' or 'Democrats.' That has not been the tradition in Canada, where people don't have to self-identify with a party in order to vote, and where political identity and choices are fluid (and usually private).

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think I must have too many of my friends' dads on facebook or something, because I really wasn't all that surprised by the results.

Huh? I don't follow.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

Huh? I don't follow.

I get a lot of xenophobic memes showing up in my feed from the old, white dudes I'm friends with.