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Old 12-16-2015, 10:54 AM   #201
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Hamilton now has even +/-. Considering he was at one point -13, that is pretty remarkable.
Yup, quite the turnaround for Dougie. Also, wasn't Russell down at -15 at one point. now he's sporting a +/- of -5.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:04 AM   #202
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I won't say we're back until we start winning in regulation and no longer have the worst special teams in the league.

A TWO MINUTE 5 ON 3 AND ONLY 1 SHOT?!

That's unacceptable.

It's good to see them winning but it could easily have been a disaster if some of those 3 on 3 bounces went the other way. We need to start winning games outright before I'd say we turned it around.

Super stoked that we erased the bad start though. The Flames got a restart on a season that normally would have been over in October. Lets hope they don't screw it up again.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:14 AM   #203
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Flames defence as a whole seem to be improving.

Wideman and Russell were buried, but surprisingly had very good possession numbers anyway.

Wideman (60% CF, 30% OZ starts)
Russell (58.6% CF, 41.7% OZ starts)

Dougie being the possession driver we thought he'd be:

Hamilton (64.3% CF, 44.4% OZ starts)
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:27 AM   #204
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Flames defence as a whole seem to be improving.

Wideman and Russell were buried, but surprisingly had very good possession numbers anyway.

Wideman (60% CF, 30% OZ starts)
Russell (58.6% CF, 41.7% OZ starts)

Dougie being the possession driver we thought he'd be:

Hamilton (64.3% CF, 44.4% OZ starts)
Does that mean Gio and Brodie were getting most of the OZ starts? I thought they were always the ones to get DZ starts.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:29 AM   #205
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Our defence was being touted as one of the best in the league prior to the start of the season, and fell flat on their faces.

Not having Brodie to start sure didn't help.

Nice to see them getting back on track.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:38 AM   #206
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I don't get it, who is that guy?
DJ Khaled. That's one of his things he always says.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:39 AM   #207
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:43 AM   #208
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Missed the game. Ramo only let in 1 goal. Good for him and the team. Still despise his presence on the team though. But who care as long as he wins.

Is there any more of a sure thing than Gaudreau in OT? I don't think there is. Maybe Kane and his 23 game point streak. But that ended last night.

I have to believe with the Flames being the WORST team in almost every category they must be the best 5 on 5 team in the league. They aren't winning game on the back of special teams.

I can live with poor special teams for a while if the Flames can beat any team 5 on 5 on a nightly basis. But they need to iron that out before the playoffs if they make it.

Just another season of "Unsustainable" success so far.
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Old 12-16-2015, 11:55 AM   #209
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Does that mean Gio and Brodie were getting most of the OZ starts? I thought they were always the ones to get DZ starts.
Yes, they got the high ground. Each saw about mid 70's% OZ, but wasn't as good as the others; they were out for a lot of the shelling in the 1st. Gio ended up with 42.9% CF and Brodie 53.7%. If it weren't for that awful first frame those numbers would be better.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:20 PM   #210
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Is James Neal not getting a hearing?

Glencross got suspended 3 games for basically the exact same hit several years ago:
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:29 PM   #211
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I still don't get it.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:31 PM   #212
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:31 PM   #213
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Missed the game. Ramo only let in 1 goal. Good for him and the team. Still despise his presence on the team though. But who care as long as he wins.

Is there any more of a sure thing than Gaudreau in OT? I don't think there is. Maybe Kane and his 23 game point streak. But that ended last night.

I have to believe with the Flames being the WORST team in almost every category they must be the best 5 on 5 team in the league. They aren't winning game on the back of special teams.

I can live with poor special teams for a while if the Flames can beat any team 5 on 5 on a nightly basis. But they need to iron that out before the playoffs if they make it.

Just another season of "Unsustainable" success so far.
3 on 3 play might be sustainable. The shootout results were statistically indistinguishable from chance but 3 on 3 likely isn't. It will take a few years to see if this is true but it seems like the team with more skill tends to win 3 on 3.

So if 3 on 3 dominance is sustainable then the flames have a huge advantage over other teams by converting ties to two points on a way over 50% basis. It also might mean Gaudreau is the most valuable regular season player in the NHL because of his ability to get his team to winner point in OT.
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3 on 3 play might be sustainable. The shootout results were statistically indistinguishable from chance but 3 on 3 likely isn't. It will take a few years to see if this is true but it seems like the team with more skill tends to win 3 on 3.

So if 3 on 3 dominance is sustainable then the flames have a huge advantage over other teams by converting ties to two points on a way over 50% basis. It also might mean Gaudreau is the most valuable regular season player in the NHL because of his ability to get his team to winner point in OT.
I find it interesting strategy - Johnny usually does not appear in 3 on 3 until the 2nd or 3rd shift.
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I find it interesting strategy - Johnny usually does not appear in 3 on 3 until the 2nd or 3rd shift.
I actually think it's kinda clever. The Flames start with Gio, Brodie Mony against, what you would assume, is the other teams' best line. Then once they change, Bob throws out the ace up his sleeve against "lesser" competition.

A simplistic analysis of it granted, but it seems to be a trend.
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I actually think it's kinda clever. The Flames start with Gio, Brodie Mony against, what you would assume, is the other teams' best line. Then once they change, Bob throws out the ace up his sleeve against "lesser" competition.

A simplistic analysis of it granted, but it seems to be a trend.
This was discussed a couple games ago. There are a few factors. There's what you said. Plus Bob like the 2D, 1F system (at least, to start), and therefore he needs a centre to take the first faceoff.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:42 PM   #217
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After seeing the Bennett "goal" replay several times, I don't see how that goal was inconclusive. You could clearly see white paint between the puck and the goal line. The NHL spend a **** load of money on these new replay devices and still can't get it right.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:52 PM   #218
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This was discussed a couple games ago. There are a few factors. There's what you said. Plus Bob like the 2D, 1F system (at least, to start), and therefore he needs a centre to take the first faceoff.
I think there's also a bit of timing being attempted by Bob. The time that he puts Gaudreau on usually coincides with the latter end of the first shift. If the Flames turn the puck over at that time, you have a chance of catching a tired group on the opposing team.
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:53 PM   #219
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After seeing the Bennett "goal" replay several times, I don't see how that goal was inconclusive. You could clearly see white paint between the puck and the goal line. The NHL spend a **** load of money on these new replay devices and still can't get it right.
The annoying thing is, the freeze frames on these replays only show blurry pucks. That was the issue with this goal, they couldn't tell with the freeze frame whether the whole puck has crossed the line. They need to find technology that can freeze frames and show the puck more clearly. Or, preferably, take these calls away from human eyes and put it in the hands of technology that can eliminate human error.

In soccer in the UK, they have a chip in the soccer ball and detectors all round the goal that can detect when the ball goes completely over the line. The ref then gets an instant notification that its a goal.

Tennis use Hawkeye technology in similar way to good effect.

The fact that the NHL still are relying "conclusive" and "inconclusive" looks to make a decision isn't good enough. Ok, this goal wasn't hugely important, but can you imagine another 2004 scenario where a Stanley Cup is on the line? There has to be a way for the NHL to find a sports technology company to replicate these systems so computers make the calls that are too difficult for human eyes to distinguish. We are in 2016 now(well, almost). Its time for the NHL to catch up with other major sports in their use of technology.

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The annoying thing is, the freeze frames on these replays only show blurry pucks. That was the issue with this goal, they couldn't tell with the freeze frame whether the whole puck has crossed the line. They need to find technology that can freeze frames and show the puck more clearly.

In soccer in the UK, they have a chip in the soccer ball and detectors all round the goal that can detect when the ball goes completely over the line. The ref then gets an instant notification that its a goal.

Tennis use Hawkeye technology in similar way to good effect.

The fact that the NHL still are relying "conclusive" and "inconclusive" looks to made a decision isn't good enough. There has to be a way for the NHL to find a sports technology company to replicate these systems so computers make the calls that are too difficult for human eyes to distinguish.
They don't even need a "new technology". Just a high speed camera, that's all.

And it's not like they are prohibitively expensive either. It's a multi billion dollar business for petes sake.
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