[News] UPD: Wild Claim Stoll. Khudobin clears waivers.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by saillias

Some aspects of the real world should never be translated to video games.

Coming in NHL 17, players request a trade after their wives had a spat over who hosts dinner

Coming in NHL 17, players sulk and pout when they're drafted by the Oilers.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Point Blank

I feel like people who are against it are all repeating each other. So here's a summary list of counter arguments to the most common reasoning behind not claiming Khudobin.

1. "It takes up a roster spot"- We have adequate roster space on the team and Khudobin's contract expires at the end of the season. So unless we are planning to bring in 3 more new players plus Khudobin, then it's not really a big deal. It doesn't really matter that we have so many pending UFA goalies, as long as we have 2 goalies on our team who can play. And as of right now, we have one goalie who is a decent backup, and another one who is horrible.

2. "3 headed goalie monster"- Waive Hiller. Done. If Khudobin plays like crap then waive him and bring Hiller up.

3. "Disrupts team chemistry"- We haven't been winning because of goaltending, we've been winning in spite of it. Changing a backup goaltender will probably not affect how many goals Gaudreau can score. I'm willing to bet that we'd be winning by a much larger margin if we had better goaltending. And you can't really use this argument while in the same breath bring up the roster spot issue (not that all of you are). If you are worried about chemistry, bringing in 3 new players will probably have a bigger effect on team chemistry. And no it will definitely not demoralize players. It's part of hockey, underperforming players with large salaries get waived all the time.

4. "It's not the answer to our goalie situation"- Of course it's not. But do you have a better solution at this very moment? Are you willing to give up a really good asset for a proven goalie? And who's actually willing to trade us one? It's a chance to slightly improve the worst part of our team. We know this is a bandaid solution but nonetheless it's a chance to improve our team. Why can't we do this while we work on a long term solution? Does picking up Khudobin mean that we're automatically not looking for a proven goalie anymore? If we do acquire a proven goalie, then we can waive Khudobin, so what's the big deal?

Additionally, if we are to acquire any proven goalies, it'll most likely happen in the offseason. And by that time all three of our goalies are UFA anyways.

5. "Khudobin is a bad goalie"- Probably still better than Hiller. Head-to-head numbers both current and historically suggest Khudobin is better.

6. "Oilers did this"- No, Oilers traded for Scrivens, Fasth, and Talbot. Oilers traded Smid to sign Bryzgalov. This is a free waiver wire pickup.

The only reason I would see the Flames not picking him up is if we have extensive scouting on the Ducks this season and they really believe that he's not an upgrade on Hiller. I'd concede to the scouts on that, but if it's not that clear then it's literally a no risk move based on the six points above. I'm not trying to be demeaning, I just genuinely don't see a downside to picking him up, so if you're against picking him up and feel like I'm missing something here please let me know.

I voted no and I think you have the reasoning right. Biggest reason is that I am not convinced he would be an upgrade. I know the "chemistry" argument is dismissed, but many of the same people were arguing against the 3 headed monster, which is basically a chemistry issue (shouldn't affect the rest of the roster).
There is a reason many, many players go through waivers unclaimed, even if the stats suggest a marginal upgrade. It would be interesting to see what the stats are. Would it be even 5% that are claimed? I know our goalie situation is really bad, but a waiver claim smacks of desperation which might be better addressed at a later date.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I voted no and I think you have the reasoning right. Biggest reason is that I am not convinced he would be an upgrade. I know the "chemistry" argument is dismissed, but many of the same people were arguing against the 3 headed monster, which is basically a chemistry issue (shouldn't affect the rest of the roster).

It was a chemistry issue when there were 3 goalies on the roster for the first part of the season, that's what people are referring to as the 3 headed monster. Most people who are arguing to pick up Khubodin are saying waive Hiller and send him down. Different situations completely.

[sureLoss]

Aaron Portzline @Aportzline
#CBJ have not put in a claim on Khudobin

[Poe969]

The plot thickens....

[kyuss275]

He is going to clear

[CroFlames]

When does the freeze begin and end?

[FlamesAddiction]

If he clears, I wonder if Anaheim would do a trade. Hiller (retained salary) for Khudobin.


I know, not a clear upgrade on paper, but change of scenery and all that. It's worth a shot to see if a kick in the pants and different coaching helps them.

[Madman]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MIN claims Stoll

[sureLoss]

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
MIN claims Stoll

[Madman]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Stoll to MIN on waivers. Khudobin clears. MTL puts Kassian on waivers.

[sureLoss]

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Stoll to MIN on waivers. Khudobin clears. MTL puts Kassian on waivers.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

If he clears, I wonder if Anaheim would do a trade. Hiller (retained salary) for Khudobin.


I know, not a clear upgrade on paper, but change of scenery and all that. It's worth a shot to see if a kick in the pants and different coaching helps them.

I seriously doubt the Ducks want anything to do with Hiller.

[ClubFlames]

Stoll gets claimed and Khudobin clears. Kinda funny.

[mikephoen]

Very disappointed that the Flames didn't claim Khudobin.

[sureLoss]

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
May not learn the identity of those unsuccessful, but sounds like there was more than 1 claim for Stoll.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
Stoll to MIN on waivers. Khudobin clears. MTL puts Kassian on waivers.

lewl

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Ugh...that means more Hiller this year. God I hope he figures it out.

[Machiavelli]

Not surprised.

[CanadaMatt]

Thank goodness common sense prevailed. 30/30 GM's can't be wrong.