[News] UPD: Wild Claim Stoll. Khudobin clears waivers.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

The exception to the rule?

Also, IIRC, Sutter had just left that organization and would have had a good understanding of the player.

Even Sutter admitted he didn't know kipper was that good

[The Yen Man]

At this point, I'd take Greg Goldberg if he were on waivers. Give Khudobin a chance, and get Hiller off this team.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't think Flames have the time for Hiller to find his game. Giving Ramo 90% of starts for rest of the season imo will not end well. Flames have just got themselves back in the race. A 4-5 game losing streak beacuse of crap goaltending and i think they are done.

Also flames have won games despite crap goaltending recently. I can't see how grabbing a better back-up would throw team off track.

Yeah, it's true there is no relief from Hiller or Ortio sadly. This is worth a try.

Originally Posted by Point Blank

We certainly didn't win because of goaltending in the last two games. I don't think changing a backup goaltender who almost costed us the last two games will disrupt chemistry

Exactly, this little flu outbreak was scary. Goalies is the only place this team doesn't have play now depth.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Another question to ask: Is claiming a player off waivers a violation of Brian Burke's extended holiday roster freeze? Seems to break the spirit of why Burke instituted it.

It's the best Christmas present Khudobin could wish for!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

OK, how about Hasek? Or to a lesser, more recent, extent Bishop, Neuvirth, Greiss?

Bobrovsky, Rask, Anderson

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by jammies

Yes, it will cost us a roster spot. It will cost us uncertainty in a goalie situation just like we had earlier in the year. It will cost us flexibility in bringing in a proven goalie should one become available in a trade.

As far as Nilsson goes, he hasn't proven anything yet. Scrivens looked good for a few games last year (remember "Scrivezina"?) and where is he now? For every backup goalie that blossoms on another team, there's a dozen that stay at the same level, and another couple dozen that end up as career AHL/tweeners or go to Europe.

Many people confuse the possible with the probable. Those people make bad decisions because of it. I hope the Flames set a slightly higher bar than the jokesters in Edmonton when it comes to evaluating the chances of a hockey more being a likely improvement versus random flailing about in the hopes of getting lucky.

Wait, what. Am I reading that correctly, you're comparing us to the Oilers if we take a shot on Khudobin?

I don't know if I'm fully comfortable if we moved on this guy either, but comparing us to the Oilers is a little ridiculous.

We have a problem, and its piss-poor goaltending this season. Hiller looks so bad he looks like he will sink our season if we keep him with the team. Ramo looks a bit more salvageable... Ortio clearly needs to be down in the AHL. Gillies is gonezo.

And if you want a guy like Andersen, Raanta, etc. etc. now, we're talking a roster play and pick. Excuse me but do you want to pay that? I know I don't.

What's the harm here is what I'm saying?

The goaltending circus is already well underway here, taking a shot on Khudobin and burying Hiller is hardly going to turn us into the Oilers. Get real.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by jammies

Yes, it will cost us a roster spot. It will cost us uncertainty in a goalie situation just like we had earlier in the year. It will cost us flexibility in bringing in a proven goalie should one become available in a trade.

As far as Nilsson goes, he hasn't proven anything yet. Scrivens looked good for a few games last year (remember "Scrivezina"?) and where is he now? For every backup goalie that blossoms on another team, there's a dozen that stay at the same level, and another couple dozen that end up as career AHL/tweeners or go to Europe.

Many people confuse the possible with the probable. Those people make bad decisions because of it. I hope the Flames set a slightly higher bar than the jokesters in Edmonton when it comes to evaluating the chances of a hockey more being a likely improvement versus random flailing about in the hopes of getting lucky.

Re: the uncertainty, what could be more uncertain than having the world goalies in the league? Every time the other team shoots it's uncertain. Anyways you waive Hiller and go with Khubodin/Ramo for the rest of the season, there's no uncertainty. Not sure how this would limit trading for a proven goalie later. So out of your three "downsides", I see the only legit one being the roster spot. And if the only downside to trying to improve our goaltending this season is a roster spot, you do it 10/10 times.

We're not looking for the "goalie of the future" here, which is what the Oilers are always trying for. We just need a guy to give us average NHL goaltending for 55 games so that the team has a shot at the playoffs. There is nothing to lose, even if he's horrible it's on par with our current tandem.

[calgaryboy]

Everybody is better than Hiller! I saw enough! And enough is enough!Hiller is the real worst goalie in NHL right now with stupid "floorball" 60mins on knees goalie style, add zero confidence and there you go. Put a claim on Khudobin right now! It can only be better!

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

The goaltending circus is already well underway here, taking a shot on Khudobin and burying Hiller is hardly going to turn us into the Oilers. Get real.

Making an Oileresque move doesn't turn the Flames into the Oilers, but I never claimed it would, I just pointed out that grabbing other teams' backups to "fix" bad goaltending is what the Oilers constantly do, and therefore, is probably not a good idea.

And yes, I would rather trade a pick and a player to get a proven goalie. We have a plethora of forwards, and goalies historically don't take as much to acquire as other positions. A middling forward like Backlund and a 2nd round pick to obtain an almost certain upgrade in the Flames' weakest position is exactly what they should be looking to do. Give quality to get quality, the reason guys on waivers are "free" is because they generally aren't very good, which seems obvious, but apparently can't be restated enough.

Crap teams try to improve thru the waiver wire. I don't believe this team is crap.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Could be wrong but i thought the rule was the player has to report to Stockton?

Also doesn't Hiller's daughter have a rare blood disease, or something like that? if so then i'm all for Hiller staying with the flames until the freeze is over. Being close to family and not having to worry about being traded or sent down durring holliday season is the whole reason for trade freeze.

Maybe its just because i have a 2 year old daughter. If my work told me a week before x-mas i was being sent out, i would probably quit. Family comes first in my houdehold.

MY understanding he has to report, but once he does he can be sent home to stay with his family.

Flames did something similar with McGrattan, assigned him to Stockton, then later on let him come back to Calgary and stay with his pregnant wife who was close to birth.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Another question to ask: Is claiming a player off waivers a violation of Brian Burke's extended holiday roster freeze? Seems to break the spirit of why Burke instituted it.

I don't believe waivers are a problem. When Feaster was fired, I believe it was during Burke's freeze (I remember someone asking Burke about that and he said it doesn't apply to management) and Sven was sent down that same day.

Also, with a waiver claim, you don't have any choice on the timing because you only have that 24 hour window. If you want the player, you have to put in the claim because you might not get another chance. If the point of the roster freeze is that you don't want to disrupt the player's life this close to Christmas, it doesn't really matter because his life is already disrupted just by being on waivers.

[sureLoss]

nvm

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

nvm

Man I see you post in any of these kind of threads and I instantly assume something epic just happened. Then I come in and see a "nvm".. What a let down....

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by jammies

Making an Oileresque move doesn't turn the Flames into the Oilers, but I never claimed it would, I just pointed out that grabbing other teams' backups to "fix" bad goaltending is what the Oilers constantly do, and therefore, is probably not a good idea.

And yes, I would rather trade a pick and a player to get a proven goalie. We have a plethora of forwards, and goalies historically don't take as much to acquire as other positions. A middling forward like Backlund and a 2nd round pick to obtain an almost certain upgrade in the Flames' weakest position is exactly what they should be looking to do. Give quality to get quality, the reason guys on waivers are "free" is because they generally aren't very good, which seems obvious, but apparently can't be restated enough.

Crap teams try to improve thru the waiver wire. I don't believe this team is crap.

This makes no sense. Montreal claimed Byron from us because they thought he could make them better. Is Montreal a crap team? Every team makes waiver claims if they think it can help them.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Take him, nothing to lose and some potential for a gain. The Flames are playing better and they deserve a better goaltender playing behind them. Hiller is done and Ramo although playing better I don't see him as ever being a number one. I doubt Khubodin is a number one either but he should be better than what we have now.

[Poe969]

He's a goalie that I thought the Flames should have traded for a couple of years ago, then I thought they should have signed as a free agent and now I really think they should take him for free. He can't be much worse can he?

[Sample00]

IIRC wasnt it Stoll that snubbed the Flames after they drafted him and then re-entered the draft only to be drafted by the Oilers?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

This makes no sense. Montreal claimed Byron from us because they thought he could make them better. Is Montreal a crap team? Every team makes waiver claims if they think it can help them.

I agree. Schlemko was a good pickup. I actually think the crap teams last year (Edmonton/Buffalo, etc) avoided waiver pickups because those type of moves can sabotage a tank.

[Point Blank]

Originally Posted by jammies

Yes, it will cost us a roster spot. It will cost us uncertainty in a goalie situation just like we had earlier in the year. It will cost us flexibility in bringing in a proven goalie should one become available in a trade.

Sigh. Khudobin's contract expires at the end of this season so unless we plan on bringing like 4 new players in this season it's not a problem. And no it won't be uncertain. You send Hiller down if Khudobin outplays him, you send Khudobin down if Hiller outplays him, if you lose one of them through waivers no big deal their contracts are expiring anyways.

Secondly, how does bringing in Khudobin cost us flexibility in a trade for a goalie? Again you can send him down. And who really is trading away a proven goalie? Montreal? Nashville? Washington?

Originally Posted by jammies

Many people confuse the possible with the probable. Those people make bad decisions because of it. I hope the Flames set a slightly higher bar than the jokesters in Edmonton when it comes to evaluating the chances of a hockey more being a likely improvement versus random flailing about in the hopes of getting lucky.

Can you stop comparing this action to the Oilers? We aren't trading assets away for backup goalies. This is a waiver wire pickup and if it's a shot in the dark to improve our team I'd take it.

[mdubz]

Originally Posted by Sample00

IIRC wasnt it Stoll that snubbed the Flames after they drafted him and then re-entered the draft only to be drafted by the Oilers?

Yes, similar thing happened with Matt Lombardi if I recall, just the other way around.

[FBI]

If calgaryboy says you suck and need to go, that is a bad sign! He's like the most positive flames fan ever.