2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

They made that decision last year with Glencross. You have to make good asset decisions - there is a balance between trading off every vet and being smart about the long-term plan.

I doubt Glencross gets traded is he is on 50+ point pace. Which Hudler is, despite the whole team's bad start.

I'm not opposed to trading him, but it needs to be a great price if we are still in playoff contention. Less if we aren't, of course.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Even if the Flames are in a playoff spot, I feel they can get along just fine if they chose to move Hudler. Time will tell I suppose. Last year and the offseason I was on a mission to convince folks Hudler equally deserved an extension just like Gio. Adamant I think would be a more apt term. Love Hudler, but I think with the rise of Granlund and how the Flames have fared while Hudler has been out has convinced me it would be okay to move Hudler any time.

Because at this point, I' not sure how they'd be able to work Hudler in for 4+ more years at any cap hit. Which sucks, I've really enjoyed the Hudler signing since day one. He helped turn this team around in a big way. Cap concerns don't give a lot of leeway to reward some players with loyalty anymore.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I would love to see what Granlund could do with Hudler's minutes. I really don't think it would be a big drop off at all.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I doubt Glencross gets traded is he is on 50+ point pace. Which Hudler is, despite the whole team's bad start.

I'm not opposed to trading him, but it needs to be a great price if we are still in playoff contention. Less if we aren't, of course.

I hope you're wrong. That's not really how a re-building team should be conducting business IMO.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

At the end of the post he is still advocating moving Hudler no matter what, playoffs be damed even. Can't let a guy who might fetch a 2nd at the deadline walk for nothing, even if it sends a bad message to the team or costs them the post season. Again, sounds Oilerish to me.

The Flames need to move Hudler no matter what. Hopefully we are in the mix, but that will be on the back of a weak division versus us being really ready to contend, which is fine at this point of our rebuild. Hudler isn't going to be here regardless next year, so losing him at the end of the year for nothing is really silly for this teams cup chances. Get an asset for him, the likely hood of this year being our cup year with this group is so low even with Hudler that really should be no debate.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What would the return for Hudler have to be for you to deem it good enough that it couldn't be turned down? Say we are 3rd in the division with a 4 point cushion at the TDL... What is the trade that you would give your blessing to? Or are we 'buyers' at that point? What if we are 3rd in the division but still hovering around .500? Does that change your opinion?

I'm of the view that the long term outlook of this team is much more important than anything that will happen this year. I just don't see this team as a playoff threat, not with our goaltending. Every pick and prospect acquired will only increase our chance at future success IMO. That is the lens I see this team through.

If we have a 4 point cushion then it is easy, you don't trade him. Your long term outlook is the exact same as the organization to the North and how has that worked out for them? The playoffs should always be the goal because anything can happen. Teams have won the Cup with a sub par goalie, Chicago did it with Niemi. What happens if Ramo gets hot? He is already playing pretty good. It isn't like the prospect cupboard is bare either. You always should be going for it.

[FlameZilla]

All this being said, if Hudler signed a 3 year, $4 million AAV contract extension I'd be pretty happy.

On his current deal he represents awesome value. Maybe he loves what's going on in Calgary these days? Or maybe he can tell that his days here are numbered & that's why he looks a bit uninspired.

One way or the other, you can't just let him walk.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The Flames need to move Hudler no matter what. Hopefully we are in the mix, but that will be on the back of a weak division versus us being really ready to contend, which is fine at this point of our rebuild. Hudler isn't going to be here regardless next year, so losing him at the end of the year for nothing is really silly for this teams cup chances. Get an asset for him, the likely hood of this year being our cup year with this group is so low even with Hudler that really should be no debate.

So what I am hearing here from many is why try when there can be a slim chance we can draft an NHL player with a pick we get for Hudler. Even if that return was a late 1st it is still more than likely that pick never plays in the NHL.
Sure, maybe the pick we get turns into an NHLer, and maybe instead we keep Hudler and he gets hot and leads Calgary to a SC. Can play the maybe game all day put at the end my view will always be while you have a shot you got to go for it. Now if someone wants to trade us a young stud player that can help now then give'r but that isn't happening.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If we have a 4 point cushion then it is easy, you don't trade him. Your long term outlook is the exact same as the organization to the North and how has that worked out for them? The playoffs should always be the goal because anything can happen. Teams have won the Cup with a sub par goalie, Chicago did it with Niemi. What happens if Ramo gets hot? He is already playing pretty good. It isn't like the prospect cupboard is bare either. You always should be going for it.

Niemi has always been the better goalie if you're going to spitball comparisons with Ramo. And that's a massive "what if" when it comes to Ramo getting hot.
I wouldn't bet anything of value on that happening on any sort of consistent basis.

At the end of the day, if Hudler plays extremely well heading into the deadline, the return just gets that much better and you can build foundation of the Flames stronger by moving him. We'll see what happens, but moving Hudler regardless of the teams standing is a valid argument that I would have never though I would agree with. Honestly. But here we are, and the pros to moving him really do outweigh the cons right now looking from my eyes.

I cannot convey ho much of a Hudler homer I am. But moving him makes sense every way possible.

EDIT: I just read your draft pick argument too. Kind of moot as having that roster spot open for young up and comers like Poirier, Granund, Jankowski or whoever is rising up the farm ranks will get it over ny draft pick the Flames potentially get in return. Those guys also deserve to have a shot too. And Granlund has made a very solid statement that the future is now and Hudlers spot (regardless of position) is going to be filled competently.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So what I am hearing here from many is why try when there can be a slim chance we can draft an NHL player with a pick we get for Hudler. Even if that return was a late 1st it is still more than likely that pick never plays in the NHL.

You wouldn't be trading Hudler for a pick, you'd be trading him for an asset.

Without stockpiling on assets last year the Flames wouldn't have Hamilton. You can't just isolate it to what player the Flames could get with a 2nd round pick for example. You have to look at what player they could draft OR what they could use that pick for.

For the record, this team is still rebuilding. They need to trade Hudler at some point this season regardless of where they are in the standing imo.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

If we have a 4 point cushion then it is easy, you don't trade him. Your long term outlook is the exact same as the organization to the North and how has that worked out for them? The playoffs should always be the goal because anything can happen. Teams have won the Cup with a sub par goalie, Chicago did it with Niemi. What happens if Ramo gets hot? He is already playing pretty good. It isn't like the prospect cupboard is bare either. You always should be going for it.

See, that's where we have a fundamental disagreement. That's fine, that's what makes me want to spend time here. There are so many varied and interesting opinions. I respect that outlook, I just can't get on board with it.

Perhaps I'm being pessimistic and 'not a good fan' but that's just how I feel. I look at this team and I see a group that has maybe a 1 or 2% chance of winning the cup this season. That's just not good enough for me to take my eye off the future, even a little bit. Yes, miracles can happen, but you absolutely cannot manage a team banking on miracles... especially team's whose best players are all under the age of 25 (not including Giordano). I am still firmly in the camp of re-building this team. I would feel that way even if we won 10 in a row. A little success is not going to change my mind because I believe this team just isn't ready... yet.

And I am absolutely against re-signing Hudler unless he takes another 4x4, which he obviously won't. We can't let him walk for nothing IMO, that's just not an option. Something has to give.

[FBI]

Or maybe Hudler gets us some nice picks which gives us great negotiating power for a player like hamilton. Sorry hudler, love ya but best of luck with your future team.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

So what I am hearing here from many is why try when there can be a slim chance we can draft an NHL player with a pick we get for Hudler. Even if that return was a late 1st it is still more than likely that pick never plays in the NHL.
Sure, maybe the pick we get turns into an NHLer, and maybe instead we keep Hudler and he gets hot and leads Calgary to a SC. Can play the maybe game all day put at the end my view will always be while you have a shot you got to go for it. Now if someone wants to trade us a young stud player that can help now then give'r but that isn't happening.

While I think your post is a little over simplistic, for the reasons KFF pointed out, in its purest form I'm going to respond and say YES to what you think you are hearing. On both side of this debate, the odds are incredibly low. The chances that Hudler helps this team win a cup this year, as low as that a pick we get back for him turns into an impact player.

Both are gambles, as is every move teams make. The gambles this team should be making right now should still be based around the future, not the present.

[Harry Lime]

So after impassioned discussion, we are all on board that a deal around Hudler for Brett Ritchie would be of benefit for both teams? Excelsior!

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

So after impassioned discussion, we are all on board that a deal around Hudler for Brett Ritchie would be of benefit for both teams? Excelsior!

Sure, try to find a way to add Jack Campbell into the deal too. The Stars still are high on him but he's just getting into the swing of things this year coming off a hand injury suffered in pre season. I think he still has high upside.

[sureLoss]

HNIC:

Names to watch:
teams have inquired about Caps Marcus Johansson but Caps are waiting to see if Burkavosky can play at an elite level
teams looking for scoring are looking at Brandon Pirri of the Panthers but Panthers need scoring too

[Demetric]

I like how everyone* seems to cheery pick things from oher posts or Stas to suit their needs and getting their panties in a not, It is quick redicoulous

Chill

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[SportsJunky]

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Yikes.

[Mattman]

Hiller for injured Bobrovsky. Make it happen now. Hiller is gonna cost this team eventually and he's lucky his team played good in front of him tonight.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Hiller for injured Bobrovsky. Make it happen now. Hiller is gonna cost this team eventually and he's lucky his team played good in front of him tonight.

Bobrovsky is a recent Vezina winner, why on Earth would Columbus do that?

This is as bad as the Cammalleri for Drouin "proposal". If you're gonna speculate, at least come up with something that makes sense.

[saillias]

Something is going on in Anaheim. They cancelled their practice after the 5-1 beating they took from the Canes. They've scored 5 goals in 4 games in December