Haha, classic. Love the debate too, always the same. Hockey can exist in the sunbelt! No it can't! Etc.
By now it should be obvious what the NHLs business model is. Expand unsustainably and recklessly into terrible markets with little potential for return. Have commissioner sell it as "developing a culture" or however he justifies it.
Seems dumb long-term but short term it is a bonanza. The owners don't care -- they stand to benefit from splitting massive "expansion fees" (divide $1 billion by 30 owners). Any losses from a bad market are simply covered by bailouts from idiot city councils, as the Coyotes and now Panthers cases show. Profit sharing, which is incredibly unfair to and exploitative of Canadian fans who pay hundreds of dollars for tickets that would fetch $20 in bad markets, takes care of the rest.
So go ahead Florida, take the bailout. Bettman, put a team in Vegas. Heck put a team in Mexico City while you're at it. I love the comedy that is the NHL.
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That went in completely the opposite direction I thought it would.
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Now, back to the sunbelt debate. North = good. South = iffy. Mexico City = entirely plausible at this point.
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Kudos for catching me off guard on that one.
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Haha, classic. Love the debate too, always the same. Hockey can exist in the sunbelt! No it can't! Etc.
By now it should be obvious what the NHLs business model is. Expand unsustainably and recklessly into terrible markets with little potential for return. Have commissioner sell it as "developing a culture" or however he justifies it.
Seems dumb long-term but short term it is a bonanza. The owners don't care -- they stand to benefit from splitting massive "expansion fees" (divide $1 billion by 30 owners). Any losses from a bad market are simply covered by bailouts from idiot city councils, as the Coyotes and now Panthers cases show. Profit sharing, which is incredibly unfair to and exploitative of Canadian fans who pay hundreds of dollars for tickets that would fetch $20 in bad markets, takes care of the rest.
So go ahead Florida, take the bailout. Bettman, put a team in Vegas. Heck put a team in Mexico City while you're at it. I love the comedy that is the NHL.
Great post...just thought Edmonton should be added to your list of idiot city councils because of the arena deal they signed.
Apparently someone wants to bring hockey to Virginia Beach. After Vegas and Austin, it's the largest metropolitan area in the US without a major league sport.
Saint John - Moncton with a population of almost 700K? 300k at the most, and the includes every nook in cranny in and around the two cities.
As a further aside. 1/8th of NB residents are employed by the Irvings. Who run New Brunswick like a feudal state - you'd think the largest employer being an oil company would be good for the locals. Uh uh. I was out in St John last month - not one high end car. I saw an Audi A7 in Halifax. Even there, not a single AMG badge, no M5s, nothing. During the 1st intermission of the Moosehead game, they drove an R8 around for a lap. Everybody ooh'd.
On my drive from Halifax to St John, I hit a pothole on the highway so substantial it threw me off cruise control. And once I saw I didn't have a blowout, I wasn't even mad. It would be great if they fixed it, but with what money? Nobody lives there, and the people that do don't have any money.
The front page of the local St John paper proudly declared a "whopping $4.6M" is in the new budget for road improvements this year. It did this right under a story that said private firms with government contracts will be expected to actually do the work they were paid for.
There is nowhere near the corporate support to host an NHL franchise in New Brunswick, and there is not a chance the local population could actually afford to go. There's also not a chance any young high profile athlete would want to spend his career in New Brunswick.
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As a further aside. 1/8th of NB residents are employed by the Irvings. Who run New Brunswick like a feudal state - you'd think the largest employer being an oil company would be good for the locals. Uh uh. I was out in St John last month - not one high end car. I saw an Audi A7 in Halifax. Even there, not a single AMG badge, no M5s, nothing. During the 1st intermission of the Moosehead game, they drove an R8 around for a lap. Everybody ooh'd.
On my drive from Halifax to St John, I hit a pothole on the highway so substantial it threw me off cruise control. And once I saw I didn't have a blowout, I wasn't even mad. It would be great if they fixed it, but with what money? Nobody lives there, and the people that do don't have any money.
The front page of the local St John paper proudly declared a "whopping $4.6M" is in the new budget for road improvements this year. It did this right under a story that said private firms with government contracts will be expected to actually do the work they were paid for.
There is nowhere near the corporate support to host an NHL franchise in New Brunswick, and there is not a chance the local population could actually afford to go. There's also not a chance any young high profile athlete would want to spend his career in New Brunswick.
What in god's good name are you rambling about? Take it to the gear grinder thread.
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What in god's good name are you rambling about? Take it to the gear grinder thread.
I'm saying there isn't the money in New Brunswick to support an NHL team. At least there isn't in St John. The Maritimes in general are not suitable pro sports marketplaces. The math just doesn't work.
Remember, the Canadian team used to have their farm teams in Atlantic Canada. St John Flames, Fredericton Canadiens, Cape Breton Oilers, PEI Senators, St John's Maple Leafs. Obviously travel costs played a role in all this, but the east coast has a vastly different economic reality. Unless the McCains or Irvings want to own a team as a hobby/charity.
It might work if you pulled fans and corporate from all over this Maritimes. But that seems dubious without thinking much about it.
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Well yeah, it would be like putting a team in Maine or Vermont. Just not enough economic viability. But the study was looking at avid NHL fan markets, not economic viability of the market. Having available fans is just one factor.
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Well yeah, it would be like putting a team in Maine or Vermont. Just not enough economic viability. But the study was looking at avid NHL fan markets, not economic viability of the market. Having available fans is just one factor.
Sometimes you just gotta make people aware of the state of NB, man.
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When I see that chart, it reaffirms my belief that there should be five NHL teams in Toronto, not unlike the Premier League in London (Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Crystal Palace, West Ham).
When I see that chart, it reaffirms my belief that there should be five NHL teams in Toronto, not unlike the Premier League in London (Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, Crystal Palace, West Ham).
Absolutely hands down the most viable expansion market is southern Ontario and for that reason, it will never happen (the powers that be will do anything short of murder to block any dilution). We all know that.
Personally, I don't care what happens to Florida, Carolina, Arizona, or any of the other franchises that on paper aren't viable. I've been to NHL games in all three of those markets and aside from Carolina, the experience sucked.
My big hope is that Quebec City gets a team somehow, some way, because that city would rock. If it means shoving the Blue Jackets back into the western conference, so be it.
