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hockey.modern · 12-07-2015, 05:40 PM

Dec 7th - 16th - If every team wins. *did not outlaw the games that verse each other*

Flames: 4 games (1 divisional)
Anaheim: 1 game (0 divisional)
Edmonton: 4 games (1 divisional)
Vancouver: 3 games (0 divisional)
San Jose: 4 games (2 divisional)
Arizona: 3 games (0 divisional)

Flames: 22pts (Could end up with 30 points)
Anaheim: 27pts (Could end up with 29 points)
Edmonton: 24pts (Could end up with 32 points)
Vancouver: 26pts (Could end up with 32 points)
San Jose: 28pts (Could end up with 38 points,)
Arizona: 27pts (Could end up with 33 points)

1. LA - X
2. SJ - 38
3. ARI - 33

4. EDM - 32
5. VAN - 32
6. CGY - 30
7. ANA - 29

Highly unlikely, but if every team in our division wins every game the next two weeks, our division will be very close. (Will be even closer, should Flames and Oilers beat SJ, bringing them to 34 points.) Anaheim only plays one game during this timeline and every other team must use it to their advantage. The first half of December is going to be very crucial for the Flames, if they want to be back in the race for the Playoffs.

N-E-B · 12-07-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Dec 7th - 16th - If every team wins. *did not outlaw the games that verse each other*

Flames: 4 games (1 divisional)
Anaheim: 1 game (0 divisional)
Edmonton: 4 games (1 divisional)
Vancouver: 3 games (0 divisional)
San Jose: 4 games (2 divisional)
Arizona: 3 games (0 divisional)

Flames: 22pts (Could end up with 30 points)
Anaheim: 27pts (Could end up with 29 points)
Edmonton: 24pts (Could end up with 32 points)
Vancouver: 26pts (Could end up with 32 points)
San Jose: 28pts (Could end up with 38 points,)
Arizona: 27pts (Could end up with 33 points)

1. LA - X
2. SJ - 38
3. ARI - 33

4. EDM - 32
5. VAN - 32
6. CGY - 30
7. ANA - 29

Highly unlikely, but if every team in our division wins every game the next two weeks, our division will be very close. (Will be even closer, should Flames and Oilers beat SJ, bringing them to 34 points.) Anaheim only plays one game during this timeline and every other team must use it to their advantage. The first half of December is going to be very crucial for the Flames, if they want to be back in the race for the Playoffs.

That's not highly unlikely, that's impossible. If there's divisional games that means someone is bound to lose.

ricardodw · 12-08-2015, 08:06 AM

How close do the Flames have to be to keep Jones, Hudler and Russell at the trade deadline?

Since the Flames will be only getting mid round first is that on the table for a playoff run boost?

Textcritic · 12-08-2015, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hockey.modern

... *did not outlaw the games that verse each other*...

Can someone please translate this clause into English? I'm not even remotely sure what it means.

Stay Golden · 12-08-2015, 06:53 PM

I hope Santa is a Flames fan. We are going to need some magic.

Jay Random · 12-09-2015, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I hope Santa is a Flames fan. We are going to need some magic.

He wears red, doesn't he?

Enoch Root · 12-09-2015, 04:53 PM

Looking at the season so far in 2 pieces, the first 13 games and the remaining 14 games, here are a few stats...

Record:

3-9-1 / 7pts / 44pt pace / 30GF 56GA -26
8-5-1 /17pts/100pt pace/ 39GF 40GA -1

Points from defensemen:

8G 13A 21P / 132 pt pace
4G 26A 30P / 176 pt pace

For the first 13 games, the Flames were Oiler-bad. Since then, they have been a playoff team.

They don't need to earn it all back in a week, all they have to do is keep playing the same way they have been for the past month or so.

Well, it would help if the goaltending and special teams continue to improve.

Vinny01 · 12-09-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

How close do the Flames have to be to keep Jones, Hudler and Russell at the trade deadline?

Since the Flames will be only getting mid round first is that on the table for a playoff run boost?

I would think the Flames are going to be in the buy and sell mode again similar to last year. They never ended up buying last year but they did sell Glencross for a pretty penny. I don't see the Flamea keeping all those players but I also don't see them losing all of them if they are in the mix.

I doubt the first is in play but if it is I expect that player to be a longer term fix than simply a guy for this playoff run

driveway · 12-09-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

How close do the Flames have to be to keep Jones, Hudler and Russell at the trade deadline?

Since the Flames will be only getting mid round first is that on the table for a playoff run boost?

I'd want us to be comfortably in a playoff spot, ie: have a 6+ point cushion and at least a game in hand against whoever's behind us in order to keep all three of those players. Even if we're in third by, say, 2 points with a game in hand, I'd still be fine with moving out all three of them for futures.

The only circumstance where I would be okay with seeing the first traded is if we've climbed into the top 3 in the whole league.

savemedrzaius · 12-10-2015, 01:24 AM

I think you guys need to pass some of the teams ahead of you first!

You're 5 points back but still in the basement.

It's the same with the Leafs. I thought they had been playing decent lately and must have moved up in the standings a little...check the standings...nope, still last.

It really is hard to leap frog teams nowadays. You've got to go on a huge run to make any ground.

edslunch · 12-10-2015, 03:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Looking at the season so far in 2 pieces, the first 13 games and the remaining 14 games, here are a few stats...

Record:

3-9-1 / 7pts / 44pt pace / 30GF 56GA -26
8-5-1 /17pts/100pt pace/ 39GF 40GA -1

Points from defensemen:

8G 13A 21P / 132 pt pace
4G 26A 30P / 176 pt pace

For the first 13 games, the Flames were Oiler-bad. Since then, they have been a playoff team.

They don't need to earn it all back in a week, all they have to do is keep playing the same way they have been for the past month or so.

Well, it would help if the goaltending and special teams continue to improve.

Didn't Peter Mahr always say he looks at the second set of 20 games to tell him what a team really is? Maybe there's hope?

Itse · 12-10-2015, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by tvp2003

I agree, but then what? That team gets absolutely smashed to pieces in the first round? Even if miraculously that team is the Flames, would we even want to be that team?

Actually no.

If we made the playoffs, we'd be 2nd or 3rd in our division and thus play a team from our division that's not LA. Such as Vancouver or San Jose.

The "reward" for winning the Pacific on the other hand is likely to be a much stronger team from Central.

In essence, a repeat of last season is quite possible. But it just means that our division is that bad.

Erick Estrada · 12-10-2015, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I think you guys need to pass some of the teams ahead of you first!

You're 5 points back but still in the basement.

It's the same with the Leafs. I thought they had been playing decent lately and must have moved up in the standings a little...check the standings...nope, still last.

It really is hard to leap frog teams nowadays. You've got to go on a huge run to make any ground.

Yeah that's the problem with digging yourselves in an early hole. Flames have played better of late but they are still last and nothing short of an 8-10 game winning streak will get them in real playoff contention as right now they are simply keeping pace while not climbing in the standings. It's unfortunate that a complete 82 game season can be derailed due to an extremely poor October/November but it is what it is. I hope the team will at least use this season as a lesson that they need to be much better prepared next October.

heep223 · 12-10-2015, 07:28 AM

I dunno, they're 6 points back of the Canucks with 3 games in hand. If the Flames continue to play this well through December, they could be in a playoff spot by New Years.

Caged Great · 12-10-2015, 07:35 AM

The Flames need to bank at least 2 of the next 4 points on the board before heading out on the road.

All 4 are against top teams, and it'll be a struggle to get more than 2 points on that stretch. It's going to be tough the next 11 days. If they can get through that even at .500 (6 points) then they're in a good position. Any more is even better.

Oling_Roachinen · 12-10-2015, 07:53 AM

The Canucks are about to begin a 6 game road trip that starts with the Stanley Cup champs and finishes with the Stanley Cup finalists. There's no real weak team in it, think this could very easily be the Canucks 'make-it-or-break-it' road trip.

Fire in the disco · 12-10-2015, 08:20 AM

Not only do I think the Flames will make the playoffs, I also think they will have a positive goal differential by February

tvp2003 · 12-10-2015, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Itse

Actually no.

If we made the playoffs, we'd be 2nd or 3rd in our division and thus play a team from our division that's not LA. Such as Vancouver or San Jose.

The "reward" for winning the Pacific on the other hand is likely to be a much stronger team from Central.

In essence, a repeat of last season is quite possible. But it just means that our division is that bad.

Yes, I realize that #2 and #3 in the division play against each other. The post I was responding to suggested that #1 and #2 in the Pacific would be strong teams, and that we could sneak in as the #3 despite potentially having a sub-.500 record.

You raise an interesting point though -- in terms of a first round matchup, there really is no incentive to win the Pacific as placing second will likely give you a much weaker opponent.

Enoch Root · 12-10-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tvp2003

Yes, I realize that #2 and #3 in the division play against each other. The post I was responding to suggested that #1 and #2 in the Pacific would be strong teams, and that we could sneak in as the #3 despite potentially having a sub-.500 record.

You raise an interesting point though -- in terms of a first round matchup, there really is no incentive to win the Pacific as placing second will likely give you a much weaker opponent.

I don't agree with that.

Whoever finishes 3rd in the Pacific will have gotten their act together well enough to manage the feat. They'll be a good team at that point.

And that is compared to the 4th place team in the Central - sure, that team will be better, but how much better?

IMO, not enough to warrant not wanting to finish 1st and have home ice for 2 rounds.

It is always a bad idea to try and jockey for a weaker opponent - do the best you can and let the chips fall where they may.

Erick Estrada · 12-10-2015, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

I dunno, they're 6 points back of the Canucks with 3 games in hand. If the Flames continue to play this well through December, they could be in a playoff spot by New Years.

Every team in the division is playing the "if" game. The problem is that the Flames need to go on a tear as .500 hockey won't cut it. The Canucks are a good road team so they will get their points and it appears the Oilers will at least hang around. The Flames need to be a lot better than those teams and until that happens they are still the worst team in the division. They have been decent lately at home but they still have the worst special teams and goaltending in the league and the only reason they have been winning of late is because the puck has been going in the net as they are on a run of scoring 4+ goals a game and that's not sustainable. I'm not saying give up hope but temper your expectations as this is still a bad hockey team.