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JohnnyT · 12-09-2015, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

Minor penalties are often open to interpretation from the officials. For things like that, I agree that no coach's challenge should be available. It's up to the ref to decide.

But offside is something set in stone. You are either over the line, or you aren't. It's a black and white rule. While the ref is the one who blows the whistle, it's something that can be decided via slow motion review whether the correct call is made or not. If robots and sensors were making those calls, it would be 100% correct. Offsides are something that shouldn't be missed. I'm of the opinion that the coach's challenge is acceptable in this case.

If a ref misses a highstick, should that be reviewable? Is that not set in stone? Is that not the same grey area as a linesman missing an offside by a few inches?

The NHL needed some system for the blatant missed offsides and goalie interference like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Yoyl66j94
and
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/con...13030412-632-h

But I feel like now there's no room for minor human error, human error that I'm ok with being in the game.

Nobama · 12-09-2015, 01:01 PM

As a poster has mentioned I like the 10 second before the goal reviewable window. Everything that happened before the 10 seconds can not be reviewed. Makes sense.

ScorchyScorch · 12-09-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I've been very vocal about my dislike for the coaches challenge this season, so probably. I think the league needed an option for expanded review, but they did it all wrong.

Yeah it seems the challenge is used a LOT already. I don't like this celebrating, then questioning every odd goal right after. It's irritating.

There was a lot of play time after that missed offside. I think it should only be overturn-able if it was missed a short period like within 10 seconds prior as suggested. That makes a lot of sense. It'd make some fans blood boil but there are on ice calls missed every game. The defense and goalie still had a chance to stop the goal from happening and couldn't so I think a limited window would be fair.

GreenLantern2814 · 12-09-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RockOnRoberts

Does anyone know what would happen in the following scenario:

Team A enters the offensive zone offsides, but no call is made and play goes on. Team B takes away the puck and goes down the ice and scores before any stoppages occur.

Could Team A challenge the goal based on the fact that there should have been a stoppage when they entered the zone offsides?

I imagine this could and will happen this season, and I can't wait for it. Team A should challenge and they should have the outcome of the play reversed. Lawyered.

CsInMyBlood · 12-09-2015, 01:32 PM

Im not sure why people are so upset by offsides being reviewable. Well other than it took Johnnys awesome assist away.

If the play was offside, the goal shouldn't count. You cannot go into the zone before the puck. I don't care if your in the zone for 90 seconds and then score. You shouldn't have ever been in the zone. I have seen so many goals count where that team has been offside in seasons past. Drives me crazy since PVR's have been around. I like the rule and think it brings a heightened level of integrity to the league.

On another note, loved the play of Backlund, Frolik, Giordano, Brodie and Hamilton last night.

Flames are playing some good hockey right now. Crawled out of the basement, things are looking up.

Jackpot.

Weitz · 12-09-2015, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

I imagine this could and will happen this season, and I can't wait for it. Team A should challenge and they should have the outcome of the play reversed. Lawyered.

Can't happen.

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Goals will only be reviewed for a potential "Off-Side" infraction if: (a) the puck does not come out of the attacking zone again; or (b) all members of the attacking team do not clear the attacking zone again, between the time of the "Off-Side" play and the time the goal is scored.

Street Pharmacist · 12-09-2015, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Im not sure why people are so upset by offsides being reviewable. Well other than it took Johnnys awesome assist away.

If the play was offside, the goal shouldn't count. You cannot go into the zone before the puck. I don't care if your in the zone for 90 seconds and then score. You shouldn't have ever been in the zone. I have seen so many goals count where that team has been offside in seasons past. Drives me crazy since PVR's have been around. I like the rule and think it brings a heightened level of integrity to the league.

On another note, loved the play of Backlund, Frolik, Giordano, Brodie and Hamilton last night.

Flames are playing some good hockey right now. Crawled out of the basement, things are looking up.

Jackpot.

Because how does it affect the goal being scored? The guy that was offside didn't even touch the puck. The goal got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with whether the goal was in or how it got scored. It makes sense if the goaltender is bumped or if the puck didn't cross the line. For a league that needs goals, we shouldn't be taking back goals on technicalities

dammage79 · 12-09-2015, 01:42 PM

The league has it right, doesn't matter if five minutes of offensive possession happen between the offsides and the goal, it's still no goal.

CsInMyBlood has it right, it is helping the integrity of the game.
If it were the Flames that were the victim of the same exact play, we'd all be praising the coahces challenge.

N-E-B · 12-09-2015, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Because how does it affect the goal being scored? The guy that was offside didn't even touch the puck. The goal got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with whether the goal was in or how it got scored. It makes sense if the goaltender is bumped or if the puck didn't cross the line. For a league that needs goals, we shouldn't be taking back goals on technicalities

Doesn't matter though. The play was offside and should have been blown dead. We shouldn't be mad at the NHL, we should be mad at the players for going offside.

It's frustrating to see a highlight reel assist get taken away but the rules are the rules. Not much we can do about it.

CsInMyBlood · 12-09-2015, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Because how does it affect the goal being scored? The guy that was offside didn't even touch the puck. The goal got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with whether the goal was in or how it got scored. It makes sense if the goaltender is bumped or if the puck didn't cross the line. For a league that needs goals, we shouldn't be taking back goals on technicalities

How can you score a goal if your team was offside?

dammage79 · 12-09-2015, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Because how does it affect the goal being scored? The guy that was offside didn't even touch the puck. The goal got called back on a technicality that had nothing to do with whether the goal was in or how it got scored. It makes sense if the goaltender is bumped or if the puck didn't cross the line. For a league that needs goals, we shouldn't be taking back goals on technicalities

technicalities, rules... who need them am I right? Thats a ridiculous notion to only omit technicalities only when it suits you. i.e league is starved for goals so lets forget the basic rules of the game. Stupid, and homerific is you ask me, this argument is strong today because it was a Flames goal called back.

It was offside, the goal shouldn't have counted, who fracking cares if the offside player didn't touch the damn puck. The game is getting effed with too much already, don't like NHL rules, go watch pond hockey full of five year olds where offsides don't count.

Street Pharmacist · 12-09-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

How can you score a goal if your team was offside?

How could you score if the puck was gloved ahead and the ref missed it? Or if there was a face off violation that was missed? Or touched with a high stick and missed before someone scores two minutes later? Should we review those too?

CsInMyBlood · 12-09-2015, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

How could you score if the puck was gloved ahead and the ref missed it? Or if there was a face off violation that was missed? Or touched with a high stick and missed before someone scores two minutes later? Should we review those too?

An offside is a very simple and easy violation to check. Is the man in before the puck? Yes? The team should have never been in the zone and the goal doesn't count.

Hartley couldn't have asked for any reviews after he called for goalie interference and failed.

I like the coaches challenge. Simple and effective.

Burner · 12-09-2015, 02:05 PM

Lets have a game played by Corsi statistics and unlimited coaches challenges - will be so much fun to watch....

Inglewood Jack · 12-09-2015, 02:07 PM

I assume this has been mentioned a bunch of times already but I'd be ok with nullified offside goals if you could do something about the reverse situation, where a linesman kills what could have been an exciting rush because he saw a nonexistent offside. right now only one side of the equation is being handled, and now you have both situations potentially ending in an annoying removal of a scoring chance or goal.

Street Pharmacist · 12-09-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

An offside is a very simple and easy violation to check. Is the man in before the puck? Yes? The team should have never been in the zone and the goal doesn't count.

Hartley couldn't have asked for any reviews after he called for goalie interference and failed.

I like the coaches challenge. Simple and effective.

I see your point, but why only the initial preceding offside then? Why not every offside? If the team that got scored on went offside but it was missed, then the puck goes into there own net two minutes later, they shouldn't count either, right?

Benched · 12-09-2015, 02:10 PM

it's currently doing what they didn't want it to do...it's slowing down and disrupting the game.

I have to say calls for and against the Flames aside, I find it very annoying to my experience. And some of the so called goalie interference denied goals have been bad.

I dislike this coaches challenge. A lot.

The fact there have so many successful ones though shows that a lot of calls are wrong on the ice...and it's needed.

So I don't know how to fix it.

Inglewood Jack · 12-09-2015, 02:34 PM

yea the problem is that this is just going to lead to more aggressive offside calling, which might reduce the number of reviews but then just end up in a lot of unnecessary stoppages.

the reason reviews and overrules work in tennis is because it takes about 5-10 seconds and fans get to watch a cool computer simulation of the ball. I think in its current state they're going to have to take away some or all of the challenge until they can find a way to make the result near instantaneous. that means robots with ultra HD vision of course.

GioforPM · 12-09-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Inglewood Jack

the reason reviews and overrules work in tennis is because it takes about 5-10 seconds and fans get to watch a cool computer simulation of the ball. I think in its current state they're going to have to take away some or all of the challenge until they can find a way to make the result near instantaneous. that means robots with ultra HD vision of course.

o/t but I am so cynical about that Hawkeye system. How can you be sure they aren't just graphicking the ball wherever they want (I say the same thing about the hidden donuts game at the dome).

ScorchyScorch · 12-09-2015, 02:44 PM

Can someone post video of the minute long hemming in the Sharks zone leading up to the Backlund goal? I missed most of the game and didn't have it recorded. If that's not around somewhere maybe this could be an AC request.