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				well, someone has to but its not him. 
 
season to-date, hes playing 16 minutes a game...same as...Fayne. 
 
Klefbom and Sekera lead the team in ice with 22/20 minutes. 
 
I'll stand by my long standing view that Reinhardt is all kinds of hot garbage. 
			
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Thanks, I don't watch them for fear of getting pink eye.
 
 Probably just my buddy talking him up trying to justify the trade.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 11:59 AM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  CalgaryFan1988
					 
				 
				Reinhart has looked good, I've heard. 
 
 What I can see happening with him though, is getting in over his head and his confidence taking a hit. I could be wrong, but I think he's playing top pairing minutes. 
			
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Reinhart is in the minors, and when Nurse was called up, it wasn't him who was sent down again, it was Reinhart. Now, Fayne is on his way down, outplayed by Davidson.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 12:04 PM
			
			
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			wait...Fayne was supposed to be playing defense?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:12 PM
			
			
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				If you're the Devils, you should absolutely claim the guy. You're fighting for a wild card spot without much D depth and here's a guy you know already... Fayne / Greene were a good pairing before, no reason to think they won't be now. 
			
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They're also borderline broke and that contract is atrocious. 
 
If it was a trade and the Oilers retained 50% in exchange for future considerations then it might be on otherwise he can enjoy Bakersfield.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:22 PM
			
			
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				Is MacTavish officially worse than Risebrough as a GM? 
			
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MacTavish is officially worse than Mel Bridgman as a GM.
 
How many times a day do you suppose Chiarelli looks over at MacTavish and just rolls his eyes in wonderment and disgust?
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 12:24 PM
			
			
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				MacTavish is officially worse than Mel Bridgman as a GM. 
 
How many times a day do you suppose Chiarelli looks over at MacTavish and just rolls his eyes in wonderment and disgust? 
			
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The fact that he can look over and even see MacTavish says a lot about the oilers and how they're run. The guy was probably one of the worst GM's ever and he's still a part of the team lol.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:24 PM
			
			
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				MacTavish is officially worse than Mel Bridgman as a GM. 
 
How many times a day do you suppose Chiarelli looks over at MacTavish and just rolls his eyes in wonderment and disgust? 
			
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And then says yes boss and goes and fetches him a goat milk Latte with chocolate sprinkles.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:26 PM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  CalgaryFan1988
					 
				 
				Reinhart has looked good, I've heard. 
 
 What I can see happening with him though, is getting in over his head and his confidence taking a hit. I could be wrong, but I think he's playing top pairing minutes. 
			
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At what pray tell?
 
His skatijng is bad, and for a big guy he's softer then Fluffy the Dryer bear
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:26 PM
			
			
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			Still a better player than Luca Sbisa, lol
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 12:28 PM
			
			
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				At what pray tell? 
 
His skatijng is bad, and for a big guy he's softer then Fluffy the Dryer bear 
			
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Teach me for listening to Oiler fans. I heard he was playing great, had no idea he was in the minors. 
 
Mind you, it's the same buddy that keeps saying how Hall is so much better than Seguin.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 12:28 PM
			
			
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			Reinhart has provided absolutely no offence and his possession stats are not good - relative even to his own team.  That trade reeked of "we saw him a lot in junior and he was pretty good against 17-year-olds, so lets overpay for him!"
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 12:30 PM
			
			
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			If I was them I would waive Schultz or Gryba before Fayne.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:34 PM
			
			
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				If I was them I would waive Schultz or Gryba before Fayne. 
			
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			12-09-2015, 12:34 PM
			
			
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			Fayne is actually pretty good.  
 
He's a solid 2nd pairing shut down guy.  
 
I'd take him over Engelland, both as a player and contract.  
 
If we didn't already have Engelland and Smid on the books, I'd gladly see the Flames claim him.  
 
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			12-09-2015, 01:01 PM
			
			
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				Reinhart has provided absolutely no offence and his possession stats are not good - relative even to his own team.  That trade reeked of "we saw him a lot in junior and he was pretty good against 17-year-olds, so lets overpay for him!" 
			
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Not to mention a professional franchise thinking it's a good idea to trade considerable assets for a guy who is close to being a bust but, having played for the Oil Kings in his junior years, is actually a sound investment. In fact, most of the Oilers management seems to anchor themselves on the nostalgia factor. This is why MacTavish and Lowe are still around. I don't know why Nicholson and Chiarelli think this is a good idea.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 01:03 PM
			
			
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				They're also borderline broke and that contract is atrocious.  
 
If it was a trade and the Oilers retained 50% in exchange for future considerations then it might be on otherwise he can enjoy Bakersfield. 
			
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Disagree. The Fayne / Greene pairing is a very solid 2nd pairing on a good team, and at times were in sneaky first pairing quality territory - no one of course noticed, because they played for the Devils and weren't big point producers. But that was absolutely a good unit and if you can get a guy who acts as a solid 2nd pairing guy for $3.5 per, you do it.
 
 Of course, this is purely from a hockey management perspective, not taking into account the financial situation in NJD.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 01:09 PM
			
			
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				MacTavish is officially worse than Mel Bridgman as a GM. 
 
How many times a day do you suppose Chiarelli looks over at MacTavish and just rolls his eyes in wonderment and disgust? 
			
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He probably rolls his eyes more for the fact that he's not allowed to fire MacTavish. What a joke of an organization
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 01:10 PM
			
			
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			Mactavish can't be that bad. He has an online MBA!
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			12-09-2015, 01:12 PM
			
			
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Andy Greene, not Matt, but I know who you meant. They were indeed a great, underrated pairing.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			12-09-2015, 01:19 PM
			
			
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				Fayne is actually pretty good.  
 
He's a solid 2nd pairing shut down guy.  
 
I'd take him over Engelland, both as a player and contract.  
 
If we didn't already have Engelland and Smid on the books, I'd gladly see the Flames claim him.  
 
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 He's not even close to a second pairing shut down guy, complete tire fire this season. He has been outplayed by every other defenseman on the oilers blue line, which is extremely disturbing.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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