12-07-2015, 02:18 PM
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#101
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That Lucic spear on Dekeyser spawned one of the greatest animated gifs in history...
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12-07-2015, 02:18 PM
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#102
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Originally Posted by dash_pinched
That Lucic spear on Dekeyser spawned one of the greatest animated gifs in history...
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Lol
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12-07-2015, 02:24 PM
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#103
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I'm with Street Pharmacist - this is intent to hurt, not intent to injure. There's no intent to do anything that would be expected to have long-lasting effect. A guy's in a bunch of pain for a few minutes, and that's the extent of it. Any more serious result from that play is pretty unlikely. Not much different than butt-ending a guy in the gut or slashing him on the calf. Dirty plays but unlikely to knock a guy out of the lineup.
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12-07-2015, 02:35 PM
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#104
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
I'm with Street Pharmacist - this is intent to hurt, not intent to injure. There's no intent to do anything that would be expected to have long-lasting effect. A guy's in a bunch of pain for a few minutes, and that's the extent of it. Any more serious result from that play is pretty unlikely. Not much different than butt-ending a guy in the gut or slashing him on the calf. Dirty plays but unlikely to knock a guy out of the lineup.
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I am not sure how you know what Prust's intent was, but perhaps that is semantics.
As I said this does nothing for the game, the league, the sport. It is crap and should be out of the game. I don't suspect a $5000 fine will do much to get it out of the game.
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12-07-2015, 02:37 PM
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#105
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
It's not right, but it's certainly not dangerous or suspendable. It's rarely even fined. I just found 30+ examples (3 this week alone, 2 last night) in a very quick search and no injuries and only three were fined.
I don't disagree it's dishonourable etc, but the outrage and "intent to injure" accusations are where I disagree.
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To me it doesn't matter how many time it is done. It is crap and the league should take steps to remove it.
It is indefensible as a "hockey play gone wrong".
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12-07-2015, 02:59 PM
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#106
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
To me it doesn't matter how many time it is done. It is crap and the league should take steps to remove it.
It is indefensible as a "hockey play gone wrong".
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That's a totally defensible position. I enjoy having good guys and bad guys in hockey but abhor serious injuries like head shots. I think a major and maybe a fine if egregious enough here is fair
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12-07-2015, 03:01 PM
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#107
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
That's a totally defensible position.
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Ok, defend it as a hockey play.
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12-07-2015, 03:02 PM
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#108
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Ok, defend it as a hockey play.
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I meant your position is defensible
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12-07-2015, 03:03 PM
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#109
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Could Care Less
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Ok, defend it as a hockey play.
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It's only defensible as a hockey play to the weasels in the league.
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12-07-2015, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
To me it doesn't matter how many time it is done. It is crap and the league should take steps to remove it.
It is indefensible as a "hockey play gone wrong".
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That's the biggest problem I have with it.
Marchand plays over the edge and deserves every punishment he's ever had, but he usually steps over the line playing hockey.
Prust wasn't playing hockey. He wanted to get at Marchand and that's it. Marchand may be dirty, but he's smart and skilled. Prust is an oaf.
I'll take a guy who can pot a point per game over a guy who runs around headhunting, getting guys behind the play, and trying to check goaltenders every season.
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12-07-2015, 03:50 PM
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#111
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Originally Posted by heep223
It's only defensible as a hockey play to the weasels in the league.
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... apparently including Marchand!
But I've consistently said, even though everyone gets all fired up about the dirty cheap plays like this, that it's the legitimately dangerous crap that needs to generate this sort of outrage instead. Or at least in preference to this.
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12-07-2015, 03:59 PM
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#112
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I'm with street pharmacist too I agree it's not as serious as people are making it out to be.
Having said that I know a guy who lost one of his balls albeit it was from taking a ball to the groin area while not wearing protection. You'd have to slash someone really hard while he's wearing protection to seriously injure his balls. Plus it's the rat Marchand, he's given worse slashes in his time in the league including one to Gaudreau the other night.
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12-07-2015, 05:16 PM
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#113
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It wasnt intent to injure, that just exaggeration.
It's dirty, but I have seen it happen in scrums around the net and it wasn't even noticed by the commentators or the officials. The biggest difference in this case was how obvious it was from Prust, and the dramatic collapse (as in embellishment) by Marchand.
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12-07-2015, 06:55 PM
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#114
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Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ
Man I don't understand all of the hate for Marchand. Sure he's a pest, but I would gladly take that guy on the Flames any day of the week. He can play.
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His idiotic mugging after scoring on the penalty shot the other night is a good reason to dislike him IMO.
But Hudler and Gaudreau tag teaming his garbage team and stealing his glory is way better than Prust spearing him.
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12-08-2015, 01:14 AM
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#115
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
FFS. Are you seriously suggesting Prust put Marchand's life in danger? My god you're reaching here.
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Pokes in the nuts are classless, and I'll repeat, NOT GOING TO KILL ANYBODY. Seriously. They're not putting anyone's life in danger.
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I repeat, THEY HAVE KILLED PEOPLE BEFORE. You are factually wrong.
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A crosscheck or broken wrist have a far, far, far greater likelihood of ending sometimes career than a fricken nut shot.
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You said they killed people, and you haven't come up with an instance yet.
Classless? Yup. Inexcusable? Yup. Juvenile? Yup.
Dangerous? Come on now.
Show me a hockey player that missed time from a poke in the nuts from a hockey stick and I'll show you a tonne more who missed time from a broken wrist or crosscheck. Marchand just said he's done it many times and will do it again and had no problem with it.
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Honestly here, are you being serious with the groin injury thing here? Death? A serious groin injury?
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OK, I give up. Nobody ever got a groin injury from being speared in the groin with a large bladed stick. As proof of which, I shall ask you to stand still while I test this on you. It's no biggie, right? I bet you let people spear you in the nuts for the fun of it.
No? Then maybe you should stop making a ####ing horse's ass out of yourself by trying to defend that clown.
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12-08-2015, 01:16 AM
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#116
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
I am not sure how you know what Prust's intent was, but perhaps that is semantics.
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Judges and juries have to make decisions about people's intent every day. When a guy goes out of his way to skate over to another player, away from the play, and the only thing he does is spear him in the crotch, what other intent can he possibly have had except to cause an injury?
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12-08-2015, 03:45 AM
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#117
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
That's the biggest problem I have with it.
Marchand plays over the edge and deserves every punishment he's ever had, but he usually steps over the line playing hockey.
Prust wasn't playing hockey. He wanted to get at Marchand and that's it. Marchand may be dirty, but he's smart and skilled. Prust is an oaf.
I'll take a guy who can pot a point per game over a guy who runs around headhunting, getting guys behind the play, and trying to check goaltenders every season.
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When your team is loosing sometimes you loose it on idiots like Marchand.
His mouth never stops, you can hear him chirping non-stop on the ice and on the bench. as a fan at the game I want to smack him to shut his mouth, It would get extremely irritating as a opposing player..especially in your home rink. Prust probably asked him to fight a hundred times and all he got was "the mouth" back so he gave him a little shot in the berries.
There's a couple of reasons Prust didn't get suspended, one was there was no injury and two it was Marchand.
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12-08-2015, 06:00 AM
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#118
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5k for a free nut shot? That's like paying 5 bucks for me to punch some one I disliked in the balls.
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12-08-2015, 11:19 AM
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#119
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Originally Posted by Jay Random
Judges and juries have to make decisions about people's intent every day. When a guy goes out of his way to skate over to another player, away from the play, and the only thing he does is spear him in the crotch, what other intent can he possibly have had except to cause an injury?
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Yeah that's my point.
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12-08-2015, 11:41 AM
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#120
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Originally Posted by T@T
When your team is loosing sometimes you loose it on idiots like Marchand.
His mouth never stops, you can hear him chirping non-stop on the ice and on the bench. as a fan at the game I want to smack him to shut his mouth, It would get extremely irritating as a opposing player..especially in your home rink. Prust probably asked him to fight a hundred times and all he got was "the mouth" back so he gave him a little shot in the berries.
There's a couple of reasons Prust didn't get suspended, one was there was no injury and two it was Marchand.
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Maybe if the team wasn't mentally weak, they would not be losing. I mean what professional lets words bother them to that extent.
Also, you justification for the action is silly, IMO.
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