[Rumour] Dreger: Andersen or Khudobin maybe available. Flames interested?

[Bourque's Twin]

Not interested in giving up assets for Khudobin. He's unproven.

Andersen is a RFA and will get a nice pay raise from $1.3 million but Gibson's new contract only pays him $2.3 million per season starting next season. That's cheap enough to maintain even if Andersen gets a nice bump to $4 million+.

The only reason I see the Ducks trading Andersen is if they get a nice asset in return. I'm not sure if the Flames would be wise to give that much up. Let's be real, Jones + Smid isn't getting it done.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

Not interested in giving up assets for Khudobin. He's unproven.

Andersen is a RFA and will get a nice pay raise from $1.3 million but Gibson's new contract only pays him $2.3 million per season starting next season. That's cheap enough to maintain even if Andersen gets a nice bump to $4 million+.

The only reason I see the Ducks trading Andersen is if they get a nice asset in return. I'm not sure if the Flames would be wise to give that much up. Let's be real, Jones + Smid isn't getting it done.

I've always liked Andersen - he plays big. The Ducks don't just want to trade him though, they need to. They project him third on the depth chart in very short order. I agree though, that they will expect an asset.

[Toonage]

If the Flames were to pick up Khudobin, it would be his 5th team in about as many years. More concerning is that he didn't get a lot of starts for those other teams (Carolina the exception). All those GMs have seen him as expendable. Bit of a red flag. As for Andersen, I'd be more interested in picking him up for cheap but really I think the Flames should be looking at free agency rather than spending picks for a stop gap goalie.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've always liked Andersen - he plays big. The Ducks don't just want to trade him though, they need to. They project him third on the depth chart in very short order. I agree though, that they will expect an asset.

He's probably better than Hiller, but from the little I have seen of Andersson, even when he beat us a bunch last year I was never really that impressed. But then again, Kiprusoff in SJ didn't impress me either so I really don't know F all about goaltenders.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

If the Flames were to pick up Khudobin, it would be his 5th team in about as many years. More concerning is that he didn't get a lot of starts for those other teams (Carolina the exception). All those GMs have seen him as expendable. Bit of a red flag. As for Andersen, I'd be more interested in picking him up for cheap but really I think the Flames should be looking at free agency rather than spending picks for a stop gap goalie.

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-fr...-goalies-2016/

Any favorites?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

He's probably better than Hiller, but from the little I have seen of Andersson, even when he beat us a bunch last year I was never really that impressed. But then again, Kiprusoff in SJ didn't impress me either so I really don't know F all about goaltenders.

He isn't flashy, if that what impresses you. I just think he's a solid guy and you have to legit beat him in order to score.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-fr...-goalies-2016/

Any favorites?

For a one year stop gap (going on the personal hope that Gillies is ready to take the reigns a year after) I'm in the Cam Ward camp. Also hopeful Ortio splits the time with him next year.

Again, not opposed to getting Andersen, I'd just rather not see the team give anything up right now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For a one year stop gap (going on the personal hope that Gillies is ready to take the reigns a year after) I'm in the Cam Ward camp. Also hopeful Ortio splits the time with him next year.

Again, not opposed to getting Andersen, I'd just rather not see the team give anything up right now.

Ward's rockin' an .898 save percentage, and that's with a couple shutouts. He's maybe been better than Calgary's trio, but really inconsistent. His really good numbers have come against really bad teams.

[redsunsdriver]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

http://www.rosterresource.com/nhl-fr...-goalies-2016/

Any favorites?

Raanta might be good too.
Pretty decent SV%
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112590

But again, not proven starter. Could end up like a Talbot.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by redsunsdriver

Raanta might be good too.
Pretty decent SV%
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112590

But again, not proven starter. Could end up like a Talbot.

For some reason I think Talbot still can play (just not for that team). I don't mind Raanta at all. It's hard to judge any guy playing behind Henrik, though.

[Stud_McCool]

The best thing about Ramo/Hiller is their expiring contract. Ride the year out with these two and see what's available in the offseason. No point mortgaging the future with another goalie that nobody wants.

[Lord Carnage]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

The best thing about Ramo/Hiller is their expiring contract. Ride the year out with these two and see what's available in the offseason. No point mortgaging the future with another goalie that nobody wants.

I guess I'm hoping for them to flip one of those guys to TO to be the backup straight across for Bernier.

Toronto gets out from under Bernier's contract for next year, and we get the guy with the highest potential... but no mortgaging of the future...

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnage

I guess I'm hoping for them to flip one of those guys to TO to be the backup straight across for Bernier.
Toronto gets out from under Bernier's contract for next year, and we get the guy with the highest potential... but no mortgaging of the future...

The best part about the Bernier discussion is that Toronto (their fans and twits) seems to feel that Raymond could still be a useful player to them, and one extra year of Raymond is more valuable than one extra year of Bernier. Hiller + Raymond gone + goalie under contract next year solves 3 problems for Calgary in one fell swoop.

Andersson brings none of that. He brings a couple of more wins in a non-playoff season. This is Dreger fishing.

[The Yen Man]

Yah, I don't want Flames giving up any significant assets for Anderson. I'd rather they just wait it out and take a flyer on a UFA goalie if need be. I still think the Bernier trade could be very good for the Flames. If the guy finds his game back, it could be awesome for the Flames. If not, you pay him to be a backup / tandem with Ortio (if he's back) or some other UFA goalie they end up signing as a stop gap until Gillies is ready.

Plus, you get a chance to get rid of Raymond. That's worth it right there!

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For a one year stop gap (going on the personal hope that Gillies is ready to take the reigns a year after) I'm in the Cam Ward camp. Also hopeful Ortio splits the time with him next year.

Again, not opposed to getting Andersen, I'd just rather not see the team give anything up right now.

Ward isn't the answer and Gillies isn't going to be ready in a year. This would just put us in the exact same position we are now. Hopefully we can find a more permanent solution and if not I think their are better stop gaps than Ward.

[The Yen Man]

OT, but I really disagree with Wills when he's describing Hiller. He keeps saying how Hiller is calm and collected. Am I way out to lunch? Hiller always looks freaked out whenever there's a scramble in front of him. Whenever he finds the puck, he pounces on it with his head down, and just lays there for a few seconds to collect himself. He's got the Turek panicky darty eyes whenever the camera zooms in on his face.

We need a goalie with Kipper's dead eyes. Now there's a guy who's calm and collected, and nothing phases.

[sketchyt]

Not a fan of Andersen. Big, average mobility, plays too deep, can be beat short-side glove (read: the AHL side). Reminds me of Anders Lindback. I believe he was the limiting factor in the Ducks not winning the cup last year.

File Khudobin in the Enroth, Greiss, Ramo column.

[VladtheImpaler]

Virtually everything I have seen over the years leads me to this regarding goalies:

Tier 1: Ludqvist, Price
Tier 2: Holtby (provisionally), Rinne, Luongo, Quick, Crawford (I think)
Tier 3: Everyone else
Tier 4: Oiler goalies
Tier 5: Ramo, Hiller

Therefore I would not give up anything of significance for anyone not in the Top 2 tiers. There is obviously some year-to-year fluctuation, but I think it holds pretty steady over time.

[sketchyt]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Virtually everything I have seen over the years leads me to this regarding goalies:

Tier 1: Ludqvist, Price
Tier 2: Holtby (provisionally), Rinne, Luongo, Quick, Crawford (I think)
Tier 3: Everyone else
Tier 4: Oiler goalies
Tier 5: Ramo, Hiller

Therefore I would not give up anything of significance for anyone not in the Top 2 tiers. There is obviously some year-to-year fluctuation, but I think it holds pretty steady over time.

Yeah, I agree with most of that. Hiller's been hot garbage this year but his career stats would suggest he actually belongs in your third tier IMO.

I also put a tier 6 - unknown. Guys like Talbot, Bernier, Condon. You can strike gold in a guy like Kipper or you can get Scrivens'd. I'd be curious at guys like Pickard and Gudleveskis. Logjam at goaltending for those teams.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by sketchyt

Yeah, I agree with most of that. Hiller's been hot garbage this year but his career stats would suggest he actually belongs in your third tier IMO.

I also put a tier 6 - unknown. Guys like Talbot, Bernier, Condon. You can strike gold in a guy like Kipper or you can get Scrivens'd. I'd be curious at guys like Pickard and Gudleveskis. Logjam at goaltending for those teams.

Everyone is Tier 3 until proven otherwise.