2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Ashasx]

I think it would be much easier to win with Monahan @ $6 million than Stamkos @ $12 million.

[Weitz]

Stamkos ain't getting 12 mill.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Good bet Stamkos gets at least 10m over 7 years in UFA, maybe a shade under.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.

Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.

Teams that win in this league have super stars.

Tampa hasn't won anything with Stamkos

[JJ1532]

So? Caps haven't won anything with Ovi, doesn't mean he isn't a superstar.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Good bet Stamkos gets at least 10m over 7 years in UFA, maybe a shade under.

There are more bad contracts than good ones that are structured like this.

Only like 3, 4 players deserve contracts like this. I'm not sure I'll ever understand why a team takes on such significant risk chewing up their cap space on a guaranteed contract on a player that can simply stop performing at any time. Seems like a really stupid thing to do.

Over pay and get shorter term. Stamkos at a contract like you suggest would be a huge mistake.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.

Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.

Teams that win in this league have super stars.

Aka Auston Matthews

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.

Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.

Teams that win in this league have super stars.

I agree that superstars really seem to bring success if they are genuinely good at helping teams win.

If you look at the last 6 cups, it seems at least 2 or 3 "superstars" are needed.

But it's a bit dangerous to base factors of success on recent cup winners, as only 2 teams have really been winning the cup. And these teams are quite different in style.

If 6 different teams had all won the previous 6 cups, and they all had a similar style of play, it would make sense to deduce common factors that they posses.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.

Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.

Teams that win in this league have super stars.

Good thing we have Johnny Gaudreau then

[Caged Great]

The Flames will take a massive step backwards if any of the 5 current big players on the team are dealt. Any trade involving Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie or Hamilton is a loss, it would be a massive downgrade.

Getting Stamkos for Monahan in a 1 for 1 trade is actually a bad move. The Flames are not going to be a cup team for 2 seasons. Stamkos is in his prime now and will begin his descent in 4-5 years, just like Iginla post 2008. The Flames window as it sits now is likely 2017-2024. Stamkos will be 34 in 2024. Monahan though will be 30 and still in his prime. Stamkos would shorten our window by at least 2,3 maybe 4 years depending on how injury prone he is.

[T@T]

Stamkos is not going to waive to come to Calgary, and Calgary wouldn't give much of anything unless he signs a new agreement. in other words it's as close to zero % as you'll find.

Stamkos will either re-up in Tampa or sign a massive UFA contract (most likely in the east)

[Tinordi]

I would stay away from Stamkos. Almost guaranteed that he wont be worth the money he'll get paid in this next contract. I think he's already past his prime as an elite goal scorer but he'll be paid like one.

[cofias]

Most elite offensive players top out around 22. Besides, Stamkos's monster deal will prevent us from assembling a good enough supporting cast and/or getting another star player. No thanks.

[bubbsy]

So....

Any actual rumours?

[playmaker]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.
Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.
Teams that win in this league have super stars.

Really? Three of the last five SC champions had basically no offensive superstars.

Bruins 2011: Lucic with 62 points was their most productive forward. They had very strong D core with Chara and Boychuk, elite goaltending, plus the effective one-two punch playoffs combo in Bergeron and Krejci. No superstars in that team.

Kings 2012 and 2014: Same as above, built a strong D core around Doughty and had their one-two punch in Kopitar and Carter. Elite goaltending. Both Gaborik and Richards were post-apex players, no superstars in that team.

I think the Flames may have their future Bergeron-Krejci / Kopitar-Carter combo in Bennett and Monahan (or possibly Jankowski). But there are three things that separate those teams from the current Flames squad.

1) Goaltending (obviously)

2) They were big and physical teams

3) Our dcore is almost entirely all about offense. It's not going to work in the long run without what those teams had in Boychuk, Mitchell or Greene.

Wotherspoon and Sielloff are struggling to to adapt their game to the senior level and Hickey is still 2-3 years away. That's why IMO the Flames should be all over trading for Hamonic.

[blender]

Originally Posted by JJ1532

So? Caps haven't won anything with Ovi, doesn't mean he isn't a superstar.

I know that. My point is that just cause they are superstars doesn't mean their teams are sure to win.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Agree to disagree I guess.

Stamkos is just such a big upgrade over Monahan, I would think you have to jump at it.

Teams that win in this league have super stars.

I agree that Monahan will never come close to approaching Stamkos prime scoring years but I also don't believe Stamkos will ever be worth the $70 million deal he's probably going to fetch. The Lightning never won anything while he has been in his prime years and while his 40-50 goals will be nice there's so much more to a cup winning team than having elite highly paid players.

These massive contracts really haven't paid off for teams as if you look at the top 20 highest paid players in the NHL today only one player (Hossa #19) in 20 has won a cup since they were awarded those big deals (Toews and Kane's deals just kicked in and the jury is out if that team will be able to surround them with the talent to win more cups on those contracts). If you want to win a Stanley Cup signing Stamkos to a long term $9-10 million deal would be foolish. However if you look at it as a business and just making the playoffs and having a competitive team annually then it's not as bad a commitment. Make no mistake though that the player that signs Stamkos to that massive deal will likely not get a sniff of the Stanley Cup.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

The Flames will take a massive step backwards if any of the 5 current big players on the team are dealt. Any trade involving Monahan, Bennett, Gaudreau, Brodie or Hamilton is a loss, it would be a massive downgrade.

Getting Stamkos for Monahan in a 1 for 1 trade is actually a bad move. The Flames are not going to be a cup team for 2 seasons. Stamkos is in his prime now and will begin his descent in 4-5 years, just like Iginla post 2008. The Flames window as it sits now is likely 2017-2024. Stamkos will be 34 in 2024. Monahan though will be 30 and still in his prime. Stamkos would shorten our window by at least 2,3 maybe 4 years depending on how injury prone he is.

Stamkos has been declining for a while now. Each of his last 3 seasons has seen his point per game total go down. He's barely on pace for 60 points this year.

Whoever pays him this summer is gonna be disappointed.

[Weitz]

Which is probably why he hasn't been signed in Tampa Bay yet. I wouldn't be surprised if they let him go and Toronto signs him to a massive deal, when no one else will.

[Stealth22]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

So....

Any actual rumours?

No kidding. I haven't looked at this thread in a while...just opened it now, and my first reaction was "Are we still talking about Stamkos?"