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BurningSteel · 12-01-2015, 07:38 AM

What are your thoughts on what the first real move will be if things dont get any better soon?

1. A firing.
2. A trade.
3. Waivers/Stockton
4. Healthy scrathes.

I guess it could be argued that waiving Rano was the first reak novem followed by Ortio.

I dont think firing anyone is the answer at this point but pro sports is known for knee jerk reactions and wonder how long BT can keep his patience in check.

Erick Estrada · 12-01-2015, 07:44 AM

You need an option for "nothing" or "stay the course". No reason to make any panic moves or firings as the season is over. Stay the course and in the 2nd half of the season vets will be moved out so young players can get their feet wet. Hartley will be fired but not until the offseason as the current brand of hockey while unwatchable will lead this team to a very good chance of drafting Matthews which in some sick and twisted Oilers logic way will make this season worth it.

Vinny01 · 12-01-2015, 08:15 AM

Considering options 3 and 4 have already happened I still think we see a trade before firing. The trade also will not be a move for this year it will be a move for the future

codynw · 12-01-2015, 08:18 AM

Waive Raymond and Bollig please. And this time, actually send them down when they clear.

Huntingwhale · 12-01-2015, 08:20 AM

Need to start seeing some healthy scratches. Wideman, Backlund, and even our captain if he has another piss poor performance. Then again, they must all be doing awesome in practise if they keep drawing in the line up.

hummdeedoo · 12-01-2015, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Waive Raymond and Bollig please. And this time, actually send them down when they clear.

Also get some call ups in here. Need to see some youthful enthusiasm in the line up. No sense in making a trade when the value is so low at the moment.

442scotty · 12-01-2015, 08:50 AM

Its really time to quit dicking around and trying to get something for nothing... Send Raymond and Bollig down, sit a couple of others in the stands and bring up some young blood to give them a chance... and please, none of this three or four game stuff... give some younger players a real chance to grow in the show for a change... 15-20 games ?

Rick M. · 12-01-2015, 08:50 AM

I think we'll start moving veterans out once we are mathematically eliminated, as we are so-far reluctant to admit we're out of it.

Poe969 · 12-01-2015, 08:51 AM

I think benching and call ups can't really be considered "moves" because those happen on a daily basis but from the list that's what I think will happen. Sooner or later Art Lee is going to have to try and get the message across. I don't think BT is going to make any moves in an attempt to save the season so any trades he makes now will be for picks, prospects or players with a lot of potential. I also think that a coaching change at this point would likely be a mistake but I think it'll happen the day after the season ends.

KootenayFlamesFan · 12-01-2015, 08:51 AM

Hartley will probably rotate who gets benched but that's about it. I agree with EE, making a trade right now doesn't make any sense unless it's a no-brainer. But the Flames have looked so bad and some of the player values are so low right now that they would probably get fleeced. Have to ride it out and hope players like Hudler and Wideman play better as the season goes on so we can get something for them closer to the trade deadline.

codynw · 12-01-2015, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rick M.

I think we'll start moving veterans out once we are mathematically eliminated, as we are so-far reluctant to admit we're out of it.

Being mathematically eliminated probably won't happen until March at the earliest.

ricardodw · 12-01-2015, 08:53 AM

How about letting Hamilton on the ice against the top lines... Maybe the lower competition is keeping Hamilton from dominating.

If Hartley follows his line matching strategy he has followed to date I expect for Hamilton and Engelland to get about equal ice time against Benn - Sequin - Sharp ie when they are caught on the ice after an icing.

Before sitting Gio give him a chance against someone other than the other team's very best players.

Flames_F.T.W · 12-01-2015, 08:53 AM

I think a significant trade (something to help now and in the future, ala Dougie Hamilton) would be a good slap to the team's face and would be a good shakeup. Maybe something around Hudler or Russell-- both of whom are not expected to receive extensions. Even if it's for picks or prospects, the move would open up a spot for someone from Stockton. I think Hartley deserves a bit more time, but that would also be a slap in the face this team so desperately needs.

CliffFletcher · 12-01-2015, 08:57 AM

There are few trades in the NHL anymore, and those few are confined to the trade deadline and the draft weekend. And sad to say, I don't see much in terms of call-ups unless veterans get injured. Hartley loves his veterans.

polak · 12-01-2015, 10:40 AM

Please fire the most ineffective coach in the league.

kthxbi.

Rick M. · 12-01-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Being mathematically eliminated probably won't happen until March at the earliest.

You may well be right. I don't think trading veterans for picks/prospects will happen until team management considers the season a lost cause.

Itse · 12-01-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BurningSteel

What are your thoughts on what the first real move will be if things dont get any better soon?

1. A firing.
2. A trade.
3. Waivers/Stockton
4. Healthy scrathes.

I guess it could be argued that waiving Rano was the first reak novem followed by Ortio.

I dont think firing anyone is the answer at this point but pro sports is known for knee jerk reactions and wonder how long BT can keep his patience in check.

I don't see how Stockton callups are "real moves". We've seen some already. Rämö already went through waivers, as did Raymond. (In other words, no team wanted our current #1 goalie, even for free.)

I also wouldn't compare scratches to trades and firings in terms of significance.

I think it will eventually be a firing. Jack Adams or not, our roster is not as bad as the team plays, and that's on the coach.

I also don't think impactful trades are even a realistic option at this points. They're hard to make in any situation, and right now our players stocks are so low there's no point in trading them. For example I don't think literally anyone would take Giordano off our hands right now, with the contract that's coming up and the way he's playing. Too much risk.

PepsiFree · 12-01-2015, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

Please fire the most ineffective coach in the league.

kthxbi.

Unfortunately Treliving can't do that, he only has a Jack Adams winner working for him.

Flamescuprun2018 · 12-01-2015, 10:58 AM

Would like another option to poll:

Mix up lines to accelerate youth/"core" development: Bennett at centre; Hamilton first pairing; Ferland second line; One young Stockton D man alternating at 5-6; Granlund and Jooris no fourth line.

Phanuthier · 12-01-2015, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Unfortunately Treliving can't do that, he only has a Jack Adams winner working for him.

while we're talking about accumulating draft picks for assets that would be around in 2-3 years, if anyone in the league actually thinks Hartley is one of the best coachs in the NHL, firing him and having another team hire him nets us a 2nd round pick. That compensation will probably only be around for the rest of this year though, it'll probably be changed next year.