[PGT] Embarassing loss to Sharks 5-2

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Poe969

The season is over, maybe not mathematically, but it's over. I don't think there is shame in admitting it and management needs to take advantage of the situation somehow. The goal isn't Matthews but the desired result is.

This season has been over for almost a month now. The only thing preventing people from seeing that around Halloween was denial. This team is a mess, and it shouldn't be. There are to many good pieces and building blocks on it to be the mess it is. The problem is there are too many vets that can't deal with the pace and intensity of the game any more, and it shows. The sad thing is that many of these guys are the ones management and the coaches like so it is unlikely they are going to be moved any time soon, and we'll watch another year of development for our young players wasted. For this team to really get better in the long term management has to get their heads out of their asses and start clearing the roster.

Wideman needs to go, like yesterday. He should have been moved in the off-season while his big number season was in the minds of other GMs. Now the real Dennis Wideman is on display and we'll be lucky not to have to add an asset for someone to take that salary off our hands. This is a guy where we get better just by not having him on the roster. Treliving needs to move him, even if it means contracting with NASA to use the new Orion platform to fire Wideman into the sun.

Russell needs to be moved immediately as well. Hartley just loves to rely on Russell for some reason, but he's just gawd awful out there. The reason he blocks so many shots is he gives away the puck in his own zone so often and feels obligated to get in the way! He's another guy that is just horrible out there and looks to be getting worse. Hopefully Treliving can rally that blocked shots stat into a 4th round pick or something. The most important thing Treliving can do here is to get Russell off the roster so Hartley can't rely on him any more.

As much as I want to see Bolig, Raymond and Jones moved, the first forward I want traded is Backlund. I am quickly believing he is the poster-boy for the 2015-16 Flames; not good and over-used in every situation. I don't understand why he's eating up any time at center when he sucks so bad at the position. Hartley is playing Bennett out of position in favor of Backlund? WTF??? The highest drafted player in team history, with the highest pedigree at that position, is being played out of position in favor of Mikael Backlund? Again, Treliving needs to take Hartley's toys away from him and give him only the assets he needs. Keep doing this until he starts to ice the team that has a future in this league. If Hartley doesn't want to play the future, then make a smart move and put Hartley on that same Orion booster you've got Wideman on.

While Treliving is at it, please make sure Hudler is moved for something and don't follow the Burke mindset of I'd-rather-get-nothing-than-take-less-than-I-want. We need to get assets to use to move our unmovable assets. You're going to need another draft pick to entice someone to eat Wideman or Stajan's contract, so make sure you get something for every player possible!

I still contend the thing missing the most from last year to this year is the youthful enthusiasm. The Flames need an injection of youth every single year. This year it should have been from the likes of Arnold, Agostino and Poirier. Those guys should have been taking the places of Raymond, Bolig, and Stajan/Backlund. You could add Kulak and Nakladal to the mix on the blueline as well. These guys would be giving it their all just because it is the NHL and they want to stay. Instead we have a bunch of slugs who are at the end of their string and struggling to hold on. Think that might be why the team sucks?

Our playoff hopes are done, but that doesn't mean the season is done. We still have 58 games to bring up the kids and see what they have to offer, whether they are NHL players or whether we need to find other talent in the off-season. Get the damn trades done and get on with getting the youth in the line up and seeing where we stand. We have nothing else to lose at this point.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Why didnt we tank like this last year

Last year was awesome, it's the reason some of us watch pro sports

[Geeoff]

Remember, to complete the Colorado Avalanche story, we have to go on a big winning streak to end the season, finish with like 90 points and be just out of the playoffs.

[Petert]

But, but, always earned, never given.
We can't just get rid of all the vets and just "give" all these ice-times to the youngsters.
That's Edmonton Oilers~
The culture is not one game, we have to look at what they have earned since stone age!

Thinking about last year.
The blessing in disguise was all those vets dropping down to injuries like flies.
That when Hartley was forced to ice all the youngsters.
I remotely remember we started losing left and right when the vets returned too.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Well, anything that can go wrong has gone wrong. Just waiting for that 9-0 drubbing at some point this season to really put the nail in the coffin on this iteration of the Calgary Flames. Could very well come against Dallas too. those guys are legit this year.

At this point I feel like re-signing Gio before you got to see what he had this year was a mistake. I feel like I felt that way before but maybe not. This is the year before Iggy left Gio, that's not a good Gio to have for 6 more years. Its also gut check time for his leadership in the locker room.

I've not given Ramo any quarter this year so I'm not going to give Hiller any either. That was weak.Other than goal #1, he should've had all four of them. First game back after missing a month, he better get a block of starts win or lose. If trash can Ramo gets them, Hiller should too.

Constant positives: Hamilton, Brodie (Who incidentally looked very frustrated all game tonight) Bennett, Gaudreau, Frolik. Monahan is hit or miss, hopefully rounds into form soon.

Can we please move Backlund and let Granlund take his place? The guy is ready, has been ready since pre season. Theres no reason other than favoritism from Hartley of other guys to keep this guy down. He looked really really good tonight.

If I hear Trelving say he's not going to make a trade for the sake of making a trade one more time... Seriously, make some trades, barring a miracle run this years playoff hopes are Oiler-esque.
move the expiring contracts. Get some kids up from the farm. Loosen up a bit and let them play.

You can see the whole team is just wound tighter than a snare drum and frustrated and just white knuckled. Time to just break the tension.

I love the double standards from some of the fans and the coaching staff.

I was saying the same thing regarding Ortio but apparently Ramo earned those 12 starts in a row.

Now that its Hiller, some of you folks want him getting 12 in a row.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

I love the double standards from some of the fans and the coaching staff.

I was saying the same thing regarding Ortio but apparently Ramo earned those 12 starts in a row.

Now that its Hiller, some of you folks want him getting 12 in a row.

Ideally, neither of them would be getting starts but unfortunately, they're all we have.

[bucksmasher]

Nm

[Badgers Nose]

Last year screwed up the Flames game plan. They thought the team was way ahead of schedule on the rebuild.

I dont blame them for expecting a better season given the additions, i certainly did.

Its obvious now that is not going to happen. So go back to rebuild mode and invest in playing time for the future of the team.

[Erick Estrada]

Astonishing how bad this team is. I can't recall a team playing collectively this bad. They are at the bottom of the league in record, GAA, SV%, PP, PK etc. There's simply isn't a single thing you can look at optimistically and what's worse is I find myself tuning out of games now which hasn't happened really ever. I've never turned away from the product as I am now and I was a season ticket holder in the Young Guns era. There's a difference between a franchise that was in a hopeless situation doing their best even though it wasn't very good vs a high priced mess of crap that plays an inferior brand of NHL hockey that seems to solely exist to bust opposing teams and players out of slumps and pad their stats.

The product is as bad as I can remember as they aren't really competitive even against middling opponents. Any team that is on some sort of slump coming in usually lights them up. It's like the players are playing shinny hockey out there as there's no defensive structure and special teams are an afterthought. I'm not sure how to critique the coaching staff here because there are literally no signs of coaching to critique. Looks like rudderless players skating around.

IMO it's clearly looking like this team needs a chance in direction on the bench and an entire new coaching staff as this team is simply bad at everything and that points to an ineffective coaching staff.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by FBI

I think for next game the puppet guy needs to hang himself instead.

hey, I resent that. I'm more of an electrocution guy.

[Northendzone]

Personally I was surprised to see it only end at 5-2.....after watching the Sharks go up 4-0 I thought it was going to be a 10-0 game

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Personally I was surprised to see it only end at 5-2.....after watching the Sharks go up 4-0 I thought it was going to be a 10-0 game

I thought that after the breakaway off the opening face off. Maybe if he had scored on that one.

[Erick Estrada]

No Flames team has ever only won 3 regulation games going into December. They are in the discussion of worst Flames team ever.

[wired]

Originally Posted by codynw

I could have been playing Fallout during that.

I was gaming half way through the game....not a good team to follow atm. Now I am starting to know how an oilers fan feels.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No Flames team has ever only won 3 regulation games going into December. They are in the discussion of worst Flames team ever.

Granted, there is a lot of season to go, but, "in the discussion?" I'd say they are the clear front runner!

[PepsiFree]

Not that he was playing well before he was injured... but when does Bouma come back?

[Benched]

Yep. Seasons over. Time to play the kids. Get our core as much ice time as possible. Use this season for something positive. Move or bench guys who are leaving us come June.

Take the high draft pick and refocus on next year.

[Flame On]

Just so discouraging and I think the players are feeling it too. I get that team Defense needs to be better but I think they are now affected by the terrible goal keeping, they know that it'll go in no matter what so the effort that the team had last year, just isn't there.
Starting to be concerned about the development with youngsters with this team.

[Meers]

The Gods of Regression are cruel and unrelenting.

Last season, many posters on this board foolishly tempted fate and took their names in vain. Some even denied the very existence of Regression.

Now we feel their wrath.

[calgaryblood]

The losses aren't bothering me. It's the way we are losing. When we drafted Bennett we had our worse season ever but that season was so fun to watch. The effort was there every night.