[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[MrMastodonFarm]

That's why relationships are so important.

[CaptainYooh]

Yep. But this new generation of top-level athlete kids is so much more financially astute and business-oriented. I think the opportunity to make more money in future in a potentially more profitable and comfortable market has become much more of a driving force than it used to be in these entry-level signings.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

From the way things have always appeared (although these are obviously released by the flames media/pr team) we had a pretty tight knit group when it comes to our top prospects as of last year.
I don't doubt that guys who have made the jump stay in touch; im sure the thrill of life on the road and playing in the NHL is romanticized for a guy like Janks by so many guys close to his age.

Depending what happens with our first round pick,and guys like Mark, Arnold, Klimchuk, Granlund, Poirer and many others (not as familiar with our d prospects readiness.. We could see some nice progression next year as well as a core fleshing out with home grown talent.

Reminds me.. I haven't even looked into draft eligible players this year.. friggin expectations

[getbak]

If he signs with the Flames at the end of his season and burns the first year of his ELC, it also puts him one year closer to RFA status (it won't have any impact on when he reaches UFA status because that will be at the age of 27 regardless).

In the long-run, that likely doesn't make a difference because, unless he has a Gaudreau-like rookie year, his second contract will likely be similar to what he would have been paid in the final year of a non-burned ELC, but it is something for a player to consider.


For an example, you can look at Gaudreau's BC linemates, Arnold and Hayes. Arnold signed with the Flames and burned the first year of his two-year contract, so he needed a new contract this past summer. Because he only played one NHL game in his first NHL season, he didn't have enough experience to qualify to receive offer sheets, so he really had no leverage in negotiating. In the end, he signed his one-year qualifying offer, which is essentially what the final year of a non-burned ELC would have been.

On the other hand, Hayes didn't sign with Chicago and waited until August to sign a two-year ELC with the Rangers. He broke through and stuck in the NHL in his rookie year, so he likely would have received a raise if he had been looking for a contract this summer. Instead, he's still getting paid ELC money.

[Huntingwhale]

I’m trying to make an impact every time I’m on the ice,” said Jankowski, who seemingly has been in the Calgary Flames system for an eternity but only celebrated his 21st birthday in September

I’m trying to use my body to win battles and win positioning, also to protect the puck and keep the puck,” said Jankowski, who said he pays attention to the way Flames forward Joe Colborne has developed that aspect of his game when he watches games on the tube.

He’s still going to put on another 20 lb., and there’s no way he’s done getting stronger and being more physical. He’s still taking steps. When he’s 220, he’s gonna be a bear, with his vision and his hands to go with that size. And I’ll tell you, he’s extremely reliable as a defensive player.

“I really think he can do it all, and people will be really happy with him down the road.”

http://www.calgarysun.com/2015/11/26...-of-the-future

[ricardodw]

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[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

From the way things have always appeared (although these are obviously released by the flames media/pr team) we had a pretty tight knit group when it comes to our top prospects as of last year.
I don't doubt that guys who have made the jump stay in touch; im sure the thrill of life on the road and playing in the NHL is romanticized for a guy like Janks by so many guys close to his age.

Depending what happens with our first round pick,and guys like Mark, Arnold, Klimchuk, Granlund, Poirer and many others (not as familiar with our d prospects readiness.. We could see some nice progression next year as well as a core fleshing out with home grown talent.

Reminds me.. I haven't even looked into draft eligible players this year.. friggin expectations

I don't think that it would be help "Janks" wanting to sign with the Flames hearing from how it is going for Arnold, Klimchuck, Granlund and Poirier who are playing for 60k year on a losing AHL team and have moved further away from an NHL roster spot.

Moved behind Frolik, Ferland, Jooris, Grant and Shore and Hamilton on the Flames organizational depth chart.

Jankowski would likely now be the Flames top non-NHL prospect in a CP prospect poll.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I don't think that it would be help "Janks" wanting to sign with the Flames hearing from how it is going for Arnold, Klimchuck, Granlund and Poirier who are playing for 60k year on a losing AHL team and have moved further away from an NHL roster spot.

Moved behind Frolik, Ferland, Jooris, Grant and Shore and Hamilton on the Flames organizational depth chart.

Jankowski would likely now be the Flames top non-NHL prospect in a CP prospect poll.

Missing end parenthesis there apparently trumped the paragraph break for Ya.. Intended thought was, 'depending on the progression of those guys, we could have a good mix of grown talent'

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Missing end parenthesis there apparently trumped the paragraph break for Ya.. Intended thought was, 'depending on the progression of those guys, we could have a good mix of grown talent'

My comment was directed to them being a close knit bunch and sharing their pro-hockey experience.

There is not likely a bunch of happy campers in the tight knit bunch you referred to. Right now they might be strongly advising to finish off his degree.

[Hugh Jahrmes]

Im holding out hope that our coaches&scouts have some extremely tough decisions to make this summer. Losing AHL team provides a chance for them to show solidarity and overcome adversity.

(I've also heard that you build a winner - true dynasty - by putting them in a situation of not being able to lose their vision fast enough, or something like that- or improving a thing or two about winning by draft lottery? I can't read this hand scribbled Kevin Lowe autobiography)

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Jankowski would likely now be the Flames top non-NHL prospect in a CP prospect poll.

Yikes. Our top non-NHL prospect in a CP prospect pool is the player ricardodw insists we need to force to walk as a UFA so we can get a precious 51st overall draft pick.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Yay another thread taken over by Ricardow's stupidity.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

My comment was directed to them being a close knit bunch and sharing their pro-hockey experience.

There is not likely a bunch of happy campers in the tight knit bunch you referred to. Right now they might be strongly advising to finish off his degree.

Or, he looks at his buddies and knows he's in a great position at the top of the prospect pool. Bad for them, but not his problem.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, Weisbrod said it would take 3 or 4 years before he could start contributing to the Flames. It's taking longer but it looks like he may get there.

Don't think they ever specifically said 3-4 years although I could be wrong.

When they acknowledged he was a project coming out of inferior Canadian prep school I was thinking he'd be 5-6 years out.

Everything has been going fine with Janko. Lots of people just love to freak out, whine, complain and be impatient about it

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Don't think they ever specifically said 3-4 years although I could be wrong.

When they acknowledged he was a project coming out of inferior Canadian prep school I was thinking he'd be 5-6 years out.

Everything has been going fine with Janko. Lots of people just love to freak out, whine, complain and be impatient about it

If someone is going to take 5-6 years to be an NHL player, why are you burning a first round pick on him? Seems like a very long time to develop someone who may be able to contribute in a very, very long time.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

If someone is going to take 5-6 years to be an NHL player, why are you burning a first round pick on him? Seems like a very long time to develop someone who may be able to contribute in a very, very long time.

We'll never know why for sure but I remember hearing at the time that other teams picking in the 20th-40th overall position were really high on Jankowski as well. If the flames knew this and we're determined to get him, it would explain why they would take him with their first round pick. I don't think anyone would have criticized this pick the time if he was taken 35th overall by someone with their second pick.

Either way, the flames have been patient in their development with him and if he turns into an impactful NHLer, both the time invested and the first round pick will have been worth it.


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[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

If someone is going to take 5-6 years to be an NHL player, why are you burning a first round pick on him? Seems like a very long time to develop someone who may be able to contribute in a very, very long time.

Because the Flames thought he had the upside to be a top two line centre with size. That is something you usually can't find outside of the top 5-10 draft picks. If you can find someone you think has that potential outside the top 10 you take him and run regardless of how long you think he'll take.

That's why I liked the pick back then and still like it. We had no idea we'd luck out getting Monahan and then Bennett. If you can trade down, pick up an extra 2nd, get the guy you were going to take anyways who has the potential to be a big top two line centre you should be pretty happy.

I have been closely following the Flames drafting since around '97 and we've been looking for big top two line centres the whole time. When the Flames draft a guy who has the potential to be a big top two line centre I become very happy. I was happy with Janko pick, very happy with Monahan and ecstatic about getting Bennett.

Even though the team sucks at the moment we can still appreciate the asset rich state the team is in compared to past years. Treliving has young NHLers, young prospects and picks with which to solve all our long term needs. Long term we still look fantastic.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

If someone is going to take 5-6 years to be an NHL player, why are you burning a first round pick on him?

Because his potential was a #1C along the lines of Jason Spezza. That's a player you burn a 1st round pick on every time.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

...and have you looked at that 2012 draft in retrospect? Some very good D talent in the top half of the first round and then meh. It was a weak draft and good time to trade down and take a shot at this kind of player/

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

If someone is going to take 5-6 years to be an NHL player, why are you burning a first round pick on him? Seems like a very long time to develop someone who may be able to contribute in a very, very long time.

One of the advantages of drafting college guys is it gives them more time to develop. Really it doesn't matter until the clock starts ticking on the contract. Janko will enter next season with a chance to make the team. The Flames potentially get 3 years at the cheap rate (2 if he signs at the end of this year).
Anyways I don't view the length of develop mattering. The end product is what matters.