Ortio on Waivers [Update: Clears]

[Super-Rye]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

At least now we know Ortio has no trade value.

Ortio clearing waivers and being in the AHL probably increases his value from where it was yesterday.

Now that he is in the minors he has a more flexible development path than "sit on the sidelines not playing in the NHL".

Not that I think that the Flames truely plan on trading the kid. He just needs to get some games under his belt and get into a groove. He could still be the starter for this team by the end of the season. The Flames crease is still wide open at the moment.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by getbak

The waiver rules on goalies are looser.

Goalies are waiver exempt for one year longer than skaters, and the cost to put in a waiver claim on goalies is higher than the cost to claim a skater. A goalie with 5 years experience costs $63,750 to claim from waivers, a similar skater is only $26,250.

I wish it was even looser!

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Now we can include him in a package for Hamonic.

Did you get that from Flash's joke book?

[Nabber]

Phew, I have to admit I was a little nervous he'd be claimed. Glad he cleared and can get some AHL playing time as that's really what he needed this season from the get go. Now we have Hiller/Ramo fighting just like last year, hopefully that will get the Flames back on track!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Or maybe we should acknowledge that as a fan base - we arent that great as ranking the prospects.
Based on this season Mason McDonald should rank above Ortio. But based on what we knew during the summer, there was a good case to rank Ortio where we did.

I will say I've never been on the Ortio hype train. I've always believed at best he would be a placeholder for Gillies. He's had one AHL season where he looked to be better than average but outside of that his AHL numbers are pretty middling. Yeah he carries a Finnish passport I get that but at the end of the day one AHL season of a better than 0.920 SV% isn't nearly enough to convince me that he's a top prospect.

That said I was hoping that he would get a full opportunity to be the backup this season and then the team signed Ramo and things kind of snowballed to today and we are left with nothing but question marks all around in regards to the position. It's the self inflicted wounds that are the hardest to take and this was self inflicted by the Flames management team.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by FBI

Whew. Thanksgiving saved.

Thanksgiving was a while ago. Silly Americans.

[Reign of Fire]

Thankfully he cleared. I felt Flames would've regretted this years down if he go claimed.

[Dajazz]

What a surprise, I could have sworn it was Lundqvist we we're waiving.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

Heard from an inside source that Ortio claimed..

..to be okay with either situation.

Time for a new source bro

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Did you get that from Flash's joke book?

No, that would be trading for Bouwmeester.

[Loudog]

Is there any reason why we haven't seen him get assigned to Stockton yet? it's past 10:30 now...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

What a surprise, I could have sworn it was Lundqvist we we're waiving.

No kidding. Did people seriously expect there was a pile of teams looking at Ortio and thinking "Man, I would just LOVE to claim a guy with two meaningful games in half a year - both of which he looked poor in - to be my third stringer, even though he clearly needs #1 playing time that he can't get anywhere in the NHL right now."

Going to the AHL is what Ortio needed from day one. But on day one, the odds of teams claiming him were much different than they are now. The Flames took a calculated risk, and it worked out for the best of both Ortio and the organization.

He will be back too. This year.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Loudog

Is there any reason why we haven't seen him get assigned to Stockton yet? it's past 10:30 now...

He probably already has. Teams are sometime slow to announce things.

There is also a possibility they are waiting for final clearance for Hiller to be removed from IR before they make the assignment.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Pointman

His contract runs up this summer and now 30 GMs told him they don't need him for nothing. If this will not kick him in the rear enough to turn his game around, he is done with NHL

30 GMs said that he is not NHL ready and not worth a roster spot

[old-fart]

Not a big surprise to me - while Flames fans are certainly excited about his potential (and he demonstrated some great things in limited viewings last year) he really didn't do anything this year that would make teams covet him.

Off to Stockton, where I hope he plays a ton and gets his game back.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I will say I've never been on the Ortio hype train. I've always believed at best he would be a placeholder for Gillies. He's had one AHL season where he looked to be better than average but outside of that his AHL numbers are pretty middling. Yeah he carries a Finnish passport I get that but at the end of the day one AHL season of a better than 0.920 SV% isn't nearly enough to convince me that he's a top prospect.

That said I was hoping that he would get a full opportunity to be the backup this season and then the team signed Ramo and things kind of snowballed to today and we are left with nothing but question marks all around in regards to the position. It's the self inflicted wounds that are the hardest to take and this was self inflicted by the Flames management team.

Agreed on all that. I too was never big on Ortio and in fact I think stated that I was worried I might be under-rating him. I still may be doing that.

I would dearly like to know the true story behind how the summer played out. From piecing together what some of the local media has said it sounds like there were a couple of things at play
- Flames were in on Talbot and Jones. Landed neither
- Flames had a deal in place for Hiller that fell through. Possible destination was San Jose which evaporated when they got Jones

So here's what I think happened
- Flames thought they could get Jones
- Intent was to run a Jones/Ortio tandem this season
- They had a deal to ship Hiller to San Jose, with no intent to sign Ramo

Then Jones got signed by San Jose which took away both their first choice to be their #1 this season AND the landing spot for Hiller.

At that point there was some panic and they signed Ramo because Hartley didn't have confidence to go into the season with Hiller/Ortio


Something like that. It went sideways for sure.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Agreed on all that. I too was never big on Ortio and in fact I think stated that I was worried I might be under-rating him. I still may be doing that.

I would dearly like to know the true story behind how the summer played out. From piecing together what some of the local media has said it sounds like there were a couple of things at play
- Flames were in on Talbot and Jones. Landed neither
- Flames had a deal in place for Hiller that fell through. Possible destination was San Jose which evaporated when they got Jones

So here's what I think happened
- Flames thought they could get Jones
- Intent was to run a Jones/Ortio tandem this season
- They had a deal to ship Hiller to San Jose, with no intent to sign Ramo

Then Jones got signed by San Jose which took away both their first choice to be their #1 this season AND the landing spot for Hiller.

At that point there was some panic and they signed Ramo because Hartley didn't have confidence to go into the season with Hiller/Ortio


Something like that. It went sideways for sure.

I think Ramo was signed so they would have a capable #1 if a deal for Hiller materialized during the course of the season.

Unfortunately, Hiller has looked like garbage so any teams that may have been suitors in September probably aren't now.

I agree though, I think the plan was to get one of Jones or Talbot. I think the Hiller trade falling through was the catalyst, but only with the hopes that he could be dealt part way through the season or towards the deadline for any team that got a subpar or injurious start from their starter. The irony of course is that's what happened with Calgary and Hiller.

[Racki]

I'm still hopeful for Ortio. That high ankle pretty much ruined his last season and this year he just couldn't get in a groove. With Gillies likely to have hip surgery he will get he chance to play everyday now. Let's hope he recaptures the form we saw in his short stint with the Flames last year.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I think Ramo was signed so they would have a capable #1 if a deal for Hiller materialized during the course of the season.

Unfortunately, Hiller has looked like garbage so any teams that may have been suitors in September probably aren't now.

I agree though, I think the plan was to get one of Jones or Talbot. I think the Hiller trade falling through was the catalyst, but only with the hopes that he could be dealt part way through the season or towards the deadline for any team that got a subpar or injurious start from their starter. The irony of course is that's what happened with Calgary and Hiller.

Ramo is not a capable #1. It was a panic move, which turned out to be prudent because Hiller got hurt.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Ortio in Stockton playing tonnes of games is likely what is best for Ortio and the Flames long term. Sending a young goalie down is not a death knell for a career. I think he could be back this year.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by heep223

Ramo is not a capable #1. It was a panic move, which turned out to be prudent because Hiller got hurt.

Lets play the butterfly effect card and say if Ramo wasnt signed Hiller doesnt get hurt.