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View Poll Results: What are your thoughts on the Flames CalgaryNext presentation? (select multiple)
Get digging, I love it all! 259 37.27%
Too much tax money 125 17.99%
Too much ticket tax 54 7.77%
Need more parking 130 18.71%
I need more details, can't say at this time 200 28.78%
The city owns it? Great deal for Calgary 110 15.83%
Need to clean up this area anyway, its embarassing 179 25.76%
Needs a retractable roof 89 12.81%
Great idea but don't think it will fly with stake holders 69 9.93%
Why did it take 2 years to come up with this? 161 23.17%
Curious to see the city's response 194 27.91%
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Old 11-22-2015, 01:47 PM   #3341
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King started it, really. He constantly refers to not wanting to have the arena in Balzac. I think its a ploy to get people to approve this plan

"I don't want it in Balzac! Build CalgaryNEXT now!"
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That's a ridiculous threat. They don't want it there either.
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Old 11-22-2015, 02:05 PM   #3343
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That's a ridiculous threat. They don't want it there either.
I totally agree. I should clarify that they have never "threatened" to put it out there, but have always stated "we don't want it to be in a place like Balzac"

To me that sounds like the non-threat threat that so many teams use with respect to moving "we don't want to move to Seattle, we intend to stay here"

It puts another, less desirable option on the table that they can claim they have always denied. As of right now, there are two places mentioned by King: West Village and Blazac. It suggests to some (wrongly), that those are the two options
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HA. I was being sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek. Implying that was the thought process of the Flames ownership in mentioning Balzac

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If they put it out Balzac, that would pretty much eliminate all the season ticket holders on the west and south side of the city. I wouldn't travel an hour + each way X 40 games a season, especially in winter with the snow/bad roads.

Plus it's really convenient for the players to practice at Winsport etc as it's close to downtown. Move it out to "the middle of nowhere" and it makes things more difficult for everyone involved.
There is a 0.0% chance an arena gets built in Balzac. There is no plan B as it's going to be a downtown facility.
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Balzac is realistically choice F. I would think out by Calaway Park (where a new CrossIron type project is on its way) would be even more likely (Ring road should hopefully be done by the time any arena is finished...although it's probably a toss up between the two projects. You would want it closer to the affluent half of Calgary. But it's still never going to happen outside the city limits or anywhere on the periphery.
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There is a 0.0% chance an arena gets built in Balzac. There is no plan B as it's going to be a downtown facility.
It needs to be. Even Ottawa is trying to get a downtown building realizing that the location of the Canadian Tire Centre is terrible.
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True. I know the track at Glenmore is mostly used by junior high and high schools, and general public drop-ins. The fact that most higher-level athletes use the facilities at Foothills serves to reinforce the original plan for the 'Fieldhouse': build it at Foothills, not the West Village as part of a Flames-driven franken-stadium project.
But you're forgetting that the whole purpose of the Fieldhouse is to have a centralized location for both dryland, field and track training. A place where the athletes don't have to lift in one spot, jump on the bus and travel to the track.

West Village works because of access to transit and bike pathways. Also centrally located.
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The arena was always going to be downtown, no other location was considered. You have to make sure that your corporate sponsors, box owners and club seat ticket holders have easy and direct access to games right after work. Non-downtown locations are pretty much a non-starter because of this.
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Notice how when you moved out there your friends never come over anymore?

The same would happen at the arena.
I laughed. Definitely have a friend that lives up there and thinks it's where an arena should go. Not going to Glendale or Kanata this project. Central location is the only way to go.
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If the owners want it down town, and feel it is the only option, then they will have to agree to fund at least 50% of the total cost.Own the land and pay taxes on it. Until then, this clumsy effort to sway public opinion to thinking it is a good deal for all, lacks any thought of why the NDP was elected. The Public is sick of the corporate give-aways. I'm sure the Wildrose would have forged ahead without blinking(and maybe that is what the owners were banking on ). I say this gets shelved until a more corporate friendly government assumes power and can save the owners hundreds of millions is construction costs.
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If the owners want it down town, and feel it is the only option, then they will have to agree to fund at least 50% of the total cost.Own the land and pay taxes on it. Until then, this clumsy effort to sway public opinion to thinking it is a good deal for all, lacks any thought of why the NDP was elected. The Public is sick of the corporate give-aways. I'm sure the Wildrose would have forged ahead without blinking(and maybe that is what the owners were banking on ). I say this gets shelved until a more corporate friendly government assumes power and can save the owners hundreds of millions is construction costs.
Given that the Edmonton arena received zero provincial dollars, I have a hard time believing any Provincial government will shell out money for the Calgary one. Effectively alienating half the province.
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Given that the Edmonton arena received zero provincial dollars, I have a hard time believing any Provincial government will shell out money for the Calgary one. Effectively alienating half the province.
wait...what? You're being sarcastic right?
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If the owners want it down town, and feel it is the only option, then they will have to agree to fund at least 50% of the total cost.Own the land and pay taxes on it. Until then, this clumsy effort to sway public opinion to thinking it is a good deal for all, lacks any thought of why the NDP was elected. The Public is sick of the corporate give-aways. I'm sure the Wildrose would have forged ahead without blinking(and maybe that is what the owners were banking on ). I say this gets shelved until a more corporate friendly government assumes power and can save the owners hundreds of millions is construction costs.
Please elaborate on this thought, would be interested to hear what in the hell you're talking about.
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Given that the Edmonton arena received zero provincial dollars, I have a hard time believing any Provincial government will shell out money for the Calgary one. Effectively alienating half the province.
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They didn't receive any money from the province though as far as I know. They got some money that The City got from the province but technically that came from the city.
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They didn't receive any money from the province though as far as I know. They got some money that The City got from the province but technically that came from the city.
Wanna guess where cities in Alberta get a substantial amount of their funding from?!
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wait...what? You're being sarcastic right?
I don't follow. Edmonton didn't get any provincial money. Unless you're referring to the small slice they plan to apply for to close their cap.

$480M project total.

$130M from Katz
$225M ticket tax
$200M from the city, $120M of which is via a CRL

I imagine the $25M hole is what is referred to as "Members of the Capital Region Board representing 95% of the region's population supported Edmonton in applying for its allocation under the provincial Regional Collaboration Program. The City will submit the application as soon as the program's guidelines are defined." Maybe that's what you mean?

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Yah but its not direct. Its the City of Edmonton making the decision.
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Oh come on. Please be sarcasm, otherwise that's grasping at straws to connect a dot between provincial funding and the Edmonton arena project.

Along that line of thinking, what are we all concerned about with CalgaryNEXT? It would be funded by those good guys in the oil sands. Because they pay royalties to the province who distributes money to the cities, who will pass it on the CalgaryNEXT project.

Thanks oil sands.
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