Brad Treliving Interview: Thoughts on the First 20 Games of the Season

[hockey.modern]

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Under Performing:

- We've under-performed, as of late we've played better. It's a difficult league to chase in. Trying to stabilize certain situations and breaking it into smaller bites.

- Gave up too many grade A chances.

- Did not create enough.

- We preach as a staff is: you learn a lot about people during downtime.

- As painful as it is, you learn a lot of adversity of who will go through it and make an impact or others who shrug their shoulders and accept the loss.

- We have to do things for a longer period of time. This will give us success.

- People who have out-played from last year or are better is a very small list.

- One shift at a time is how they are approaching it.

- We need to work on everything one by one. Continue to play defense. Focus on special teams.

- We know the team is better than the record is showing.

On the last few games:

- As a team we've been cutting down the grade A chances. We've tightened up much better, and the team effort has let us generate more from others and haven't relied on one or two people.

- Still a long way to go for where they want.

- Our special-teams haven't been performing.

- This is an everyday league and you need to prove yourself.

- Game in NJ was the first time we had a lead and won with it.

TJ Brodie:

2-7-0 without TJ Brodie
5-5-1 with TJ Brodie

- Brodie does a lot of things. Very important person. Ability to make others better. Move the puck very well. Defending is moving the puck and less time defending; this is what TJ does. Closes plays off, makes Mark Giordano smarter. Ability to get out of trouble and creates offense.

- Injuries of a player should not reflect how well/bad a team plays.

- We need to find a way to win regardless of injuries.

Trade Talk:

- You always want to help your team win they are under performing.

- Communicate with players and coaches on what should change.

- Easiest answer is, lets trade Player A and trade for Player B. It's not that simple, especially when its a down-turn or when they are not playing good.

- We can trade players tomorrow if we wanted, but that's going to hurt us in the long run.

- Matter of not making a deal, but finding the ones that help make your team better.

- It's difficult to make trades in the cap-era and how the contracts play into the future.

- Recipe for disaster to trade away your problems.

- We look at every trade and it's impact for the future.

- We will not trade for 35+ veterans that will impact us for the next two weeks. Our focus is how someone will help us today, and into our long range plans.

- Is there a trade that will help us now? We have to look how it will financially and impact our future.

- We will not look at the expense of our top assets and top young players for something that makes you feel good for a week.

Injuries:

- Jonas Hiller has practiced and next week he should be able to play games

- Lance Bouma has been progressively better then expected and quicker but is still a long ways.

[flamesfever]

Glad to hear they value what they have, and are not going to do anything rash.

[crapshoot]

So Hiller is ready for next week. It's gonna be very interesting to see how that situation is handled.

[FBI]

Please do NOT keep 3 goalies up.
Even if Hiller is traded, just keep some consistency.

[LIP MAN]

I want a Ramo/Ortio tandem.

[Coach]

Could Hiller be sent to Stockton on a conditioning stint? Good time for it with Gillies out, even though Poulin was just picked up.

[BigRed]

Ortio has to play some games at some point soon. Ramo can't play a dozen in a row - can he?

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Could Hiller be sent to Stockton on a conditioning stint? Good time for it with Gillies out, even though Poulin was just picked up.

Yes, he could be sent on a conditioning stint if he consents to it.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by BigRed

Ortio has to play some games at some point soon. Ramo can't play a dozen in a row - can he?

I'm wondering if stapling Ortio to the bench is a way of lowering his stock in order to sneak him through waivers when Hiller gets back. Maybe they are hoping that the terrible game he played scares other teams away from claiming him. I can't see how they are planning on solving this any other way. Neither Ramo nor Hiller has any trade value at this point, and I seriously doubt Treliving is prepared to bury either of them in the minors.

Regardless of what the plan is, it sure must suck to be Joni Ortio right now.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

I'm wondering if stapling Ortio to the bench is a way of lowering his stock in order to sneak him through waivers when Hiller gets back. Maybe they are hoping that the terrible game he played scares other teams away from claiming him. I can't see how they are planning on solving this any other way. Neither Ramo nor Hiller has any trade value at this point, and I seriously doubt Treliving is prepared to bury either of them in the minors.

Regardless of what the plan is, it sure must suck to be Joni Ortio right now.

I'm sure stapling Ortio to the bench has lowered his stock. That said i do not believe that is why they did it. I don't think Hartely is very fond of Ortio, or at least does not see him as even a competent back-up. My guess Ortio gets waived and clears.

[JiriHrdina]

Ortio may have to take responsbility for his own situation. Again - the general buzz is that he hasn't looked good in practice.
How players perform in practice is not something we generally have good visibility to - but is a big factor in who gets in and who doesn't.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Ortio may have to take responsbility for his own situation. Again - the general buzz is that he hasn't looked good in practice.
How players perform in practice is not something we generally have good visibility to - but is a big factor in who gets in and who doesn't.

If he's that bad then why is he still on the team? Waive him and bring up Poulin.

I've read it before but I think thats a ridiculous excuse, fact is Hartley has no confidence in him. That's on Hartley too, pinning him on the bench forever, then playing him against the like of Rangers, Isles, Habs on the road? What did he expect from him?

Ortio is at fault but Hartley needs to takes 80% of the blame in ruining his development.

[crapshoot]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I'm sure stapling Ortio to the bench has lowered his stock. That said i do not believe that is why they did it. I don't think Hartely is very fond of Ortio, or at least does not see him as even a competent back-up. My guess Ortio gets waived and clears.

Probably. I was just thinking that if Ortio were given another shot and all of a sudden went on to put on the kind of goaltending clinic he showed during his brief stint last year, that would complicate matters even further. Hence he's kept off the ice while Treliving muster up the courage to put him through waivers. It's a pretty cynical way of looking at it I guess, and it may hold no merit at all. Perhaps he's just still not ready and everyone knows it.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

It's funny if Ortio can look like crap in practice and that means he can't play but Ramo can work through his issues by looking like crap for a month straight during actual games, and that's a-okay.

Who knows how Ortio would look if he was afforded the mile long rope Ramo was, he might run with it too. It's not his fault his leash is an inch long.

I'd bet money none of the 3 goalies are back next year, and I don't think we'll necessarily be better for it.

[Serapth]

Originally Posted by FBI

Please do NOT keep 3 goalies up.
Even if Hiller is traded, just keep some consistency.

This idiocy is the single biggest reason for our horrible start. 3 paranoid pourly playing goalies. Ramo earned starter for the year, reward him and keep his confidence up. If they go back to a 3 goalie system, this season is completely on management.

[Serapth]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

It's funny if Ortio can look like crap in practice and that means he can't play but Ramo can work through his issues by looking like crap for a month straight during actual games, and that's a-okay.

Who knows how Ortio would look if he was afforded the mile long rope Ramo was, he might run with it too. It's not his fault his leash is an inch long.

I'd bet money none of the 3 goalies are back next year, and I don't think we'll necessarily be better for it.

Um what? You do remember Ramo getting sent to the minors right? He only got his second chance due to injuries, then he earned his role as starter.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Ortio is at fault but Hartley needs to takes 80% of the blame in ruining his development.

That's hyperbolic.

How many prospects has Hartley ruined in his time here vs. How many have flourished under him?

The top prospects excluded (since Mony, JH, and Bennett are hard to miss with), you've got Ferland, Bouma, Jooris, and Colborne who all have done very well under Hartley.

What if Ortio isn't that good? He hasn't earned the right over either of the other goalies to work through troubles. Ortio has been not good, his practices haven't been good, and he wasn't even noteworthy in the preseason. He hasn't earned his shot this season and if we're going to seasons prior, both Ramo and Hiller have earned a much bigger shot than Ortio.

Ortio has to earn his place. It's on nobody else but him.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

If he's that bad then why is he still on the team? Waive him and bring up Poulin.

I've read it before but I think thats a ridiculous excuse, fact is Hartley has no confidence in him. That's on Hartley too, pinning him on the bench forever, then playing him against the like of Rangers, Isles, Habs on the road? What did he expect from him?

Ortio is at fault but Hartley needs to takes 80% of the blame in ruining his development.

I'm curious what you would do to improve his development curve. He didn't start the Rangers game, and only faced 5 shots. The NYI game was the second of a back to back. Plus the team had 3 goalies on the roster for the first 6 games.

Conversely, if he's that good, why was Treliving so hasty to sign Ramo?

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Serapth

Um what? You do remember Ramo getting sent to the minors right? He only got his second chance due to injuries, then he earned his role as starter.

I like Ramo but c'mon now. Ortio was never given the rope Ramo got. He kept playing despite losses.

Give Ortio the same chance and wouldn't be surprised he would "earn" it too.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

That's hyperbolic.

How many prospects has Hartley ruined in his time here vs. How many have flourished under him?

The top prospects excluded (since Mony, JH, and Bennett are hard to miss with), you've got Ferland, Bouma, Jooris, and Colborne who all have done very well under Hartley.

What if Ortio isn't that good? He hasn't earned the right over either of the other goalies to work through troubles. Ortio has been not good, his practices haven't been good, and he wasn't even noteworthy in the preseason. He hasn't earned his shot this season and if we're going to seasons prior, both Ramo and Hiller have earned a much bigger shot than Ortio.

Ortio has to earn his place. It's on nobody else but him.

Disagree. How did Ramo and Hiller earn their shot? By consistently getting to play. It was win and keep the net last year, was it the case this year with Ortio and Ramo? nope!

I'm not going to get into who he's developed and who he didn't. I'm only talking about Ortio. I was hoping for Ramo-Ortio tandem to start the season but to say Ortio got a fair shot to play is misleading. He did play well in the pre-season by the way, go check the stats and read those PGT.

I hope Ramo keeps improving and holds on to the net now but I wouldn't be surprised to see Hiller come back and be the backup and they go back to win and keep the net. That would be a piss off for Ortio.

[Geeoff]

Maybe we can get a mid-round draft pick for Ortio? We're pretty good with 4ths.