2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think there's a good time or bad time to make trades. Sometimes making a trade isn't about maxing out value but to shock the system.

At this point I'm on not sure I want max value so much as I'd like Treliving to send a fracking wake up call to some of these guys. If all you get is a bag of pucks, who cares. Selling off a vet for nothing more than cap space isn't a bad idea.

I'd still try to get a goalie somewhere.

What's the point of a wake-up call? There's the drivers and passengers at this point. To unload the passengers, wouldn't you want maximum value?

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I don't think there's a good time or bad time to make trades. Sometimes making a trade isn't about maxing out value but to shock the system.

At this point I'm on not sure I want max value so much as I'd like Treliving to send a fracking wake up call to some of these guys. If all you get is a bag of pucks, who cares. Selling off a vet for nothing more than cap space isn't a bad idea.

I'd still try to get a goalie somewhere.

I think the proverbial 'wake up call' only works when the team in not putting out much of an effort. I don't think that's the case here. It's more lack of confidence. Only make a trade(s) if you get good value. If you can do it now, fine, if not wait until the trade deadline.

[midniteowl]

To make a trade in the name of "wake up call" will end up making trade like the infamous Gilmour trade and Phaneuf trade. Did we get maximum value for either trade? Did the team get the wake up call? IMHO, no to both questions.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

To make a trade in the name of "wake up call" will end up making trade like the infamous Gilmour trade and Phaneuf trade. Did we get maximum value for either trade? Did the team get the wake up call? IMHO, no to both questions.

The problem with waiting to deal your pending UFAs is what if they get hurt, you're left in a Cammalleri-type situation where no one wants to pay top dollar for a guy who is injured or who may not be 100% following his injury.

Each player and each trade decision should and will be approached on their own merits.

If you're Brad Treliving and you've been listening to offers for Russell for the last year and they haven't changed, I would pull the trigger now just to avoid the problem of 'what do we do if he's hurt'.

If the team was in the mix still it would be a different story, but the Flames aren't exactly looking to preserve the current status quo when it comes to results, so there's no harm in upsetting the apple cart by dealing away a guy like Russell or Hudler.

[Vinny01]

Yeah we are talking about trading pending UFA's. If anything setting the market is better than not. Remember 2 years ago we couldn't get a 2nd for Cammy but a year later a guy like Winnik gets a 2nd. The market was strong last year and weak the year before. I hope the Flames dangle their rentals soon as we got 2 good ones in Hudler and Russell that are both too expensive to keep and small.

I also hope Treliving can figure out a way to dump some of that bad money for next year that includes Smid, Engellend, Wideman, Raymond, Bollig. That is about $16M in cap space for bottom end forwards and D (Wideman is a top 4 but paid like a 2-3). I hope the Flames can add pieces to the team with the cap space. Chunks will be eaten up by the Monahan, Gaudreau, Gio extensions. If Brad wants this team to bounce back he needs a goalie, 2 top 6 forwards and a Dman

[JiriHrdina]

The core problem is right now teams dont have the cap space and as such the market is limited.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Retention is a great tool, hopefully the Flames use it.

Hudler@2m
Wideman@2.625m
Russell@1.3m

All would be desirable by many teams in the league at those prices.

We couldn't retain on all three right now but if Brad is creative he could unload all these guys with retained salary at various points in the year as prorated cap space opens up. Guys like Ramo and Raymond could be demoted to save money to help facilitate these trades as well.

[The Original FFIV]

This guy covers the senators for tsn. He's referring to Chris Wideman below but also notes the need for a vet 3-4, which probably ties into the Dennis Wideman rumors that Eklund posted a while back.

@TSNSimmer: Wideman as a right shot and good 1st pass helps. But the Sens still need a veteran 3/4 D man to stabilize the back end.

[David Struch]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Retention is a great tool, hopefully the Flames use it.

Hudler@2m
Wideman@2.625m
Russell@1.3m

Imagine that, Calgary acquiring an additional three 1st rounders from the Canadiens, Rangers and Capitals (for instance)

[Da_Chief]

No one is giving a 1st for Russell or Wideman.

Russell will re-sign to a contract we'll regret right away.

Wieman will play out his last year next year in Calgary.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Retention is a great tool, hopefully the Flames use it.

Hudler@2m
Wideman@2.625m
Russell@1.3m

All would be desirable by many teams in the league at those prices.

We couldn't retain on all three right now but if Brad is creative he could unload all these guys with retained salary at various points in the year as prorated cap space opens up. Guys like Ramo and Raymond could be demoted to save money to help facilitate these trades as well.

By the time any of those 3 get traded, the only player that might need retention is Wideman. I seriously doubt the flames are going to have to eat money on Hudler and Russell. By the time they are traded the flames will already have paid more than half their salary.

[sureLoss]

Garrioch

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/13/...b5ac3320b2f1e7

Two league executives said Friday at the very least, Sakic wants a top defenceman in return as part of a package that might also include a forward and a high-end draft pick if the Avalanche are going to part with Duchene.

High-end as in a first- or second-round pick, according to two league execs.

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Retention is a great tool, hopefully the Flames use it.

Is it? There's 16 players in the league under deals where a team has retained salary. I could see the retention making Lucic, Stewart, and maybe Gagner a bit more attractive. Some of Kessel's awful contract had to be retained, but it's only slightly less awful for Pittsburgh.

[bubbsy]

seems like a poor choice to trade duchene. I wonder if this isn't more duchene asking to get out rather than the org triggering this.

feels like a turris situation may repeat.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Garrioch

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/13/...b5ac3320b2f1e7

Here's our competition for defensemen as noted in above article.


The market for defencemen is thin but Chicago wants to move Trevor Daley; Carolina has been shopping veteran Ron Hainsey; and the St. Louis Blues wouldn't mind if somebody took Carl Gunnarsson off their hands. These teams might accept a young player like Matt Puempel or Shane Prince, or a high-end draft pick in the deal.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

seems like a poor choice to trade duchene. I wonder if this isn't more duchene asking to get out rather than the org triggering this.

feels like a turris situation may repeat.

In an article i read, Duchene said it was news to him that the Av's are trying to trade him, and he hoped the rumours were false.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Garrioch

http://www.ottawasun.com/2015/11/13/...b5ac3320b2f1e7

Makes sense they want a top D man in return. They really need help on the back end. I wonder if they had figured this out in the summer, if they could have traded Duchene for Hamilton?

Have to think if the flames came calling about Duchene, that the Av's would want Brodie in return. A trade the flames could not even think about making.

IMO which ever team ends up getting Duchene is going to be very happy. I can see that kid on the right team as a 80 point per year player for many years.

[wooohooo]

Giordano for Duchene?

[Vinny01]

Backlund, Russell, 2nd

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Backlund, Russell, 2nd

Sakic hangs up immediately.