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JonDuke · 11-13-2015, 08:39 PM

Has anyone seen a credible update about Josh Homme?
Can't find anything that confirms his status.

Edit: NM....apparently he didn't tour with the band on this trip.

stang · 11-13-2015, 08:40 PM

What would happen if we just said "eff this" and instead of bombing and taking revenge, we all just packed up and left the Middle East to fight their own war?

WhiteTiger · 11-13-2015, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blankall

Is he talking about moving the military against French citizens?

Honestly, I'm not sure. Thinking more about it now, it seems that he could mean in France, or that they are going to step up the tempo of any active operations against ISIS. He was speaking in French, and I may have misunderstood the translated captions.

Coys1882 · 11-13-2015, 08:43 PM

Sounds like he wasn't on tour with them.

metallicat · 11-13-2015, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stang

What would happen if we just said "eff this" and instead of bombing and taking revenge, we all just packed up and left the Middle East to fight their own war?

I think something like this has to happen eventually. Either the west, or the terrorists have to cry uncle, and it isn't going to be the terrorists. When is it going to sink in that constant foreign intervention is what creates these ideologies of hate against western nations?

stang · 11-13-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JonDuke

Has anyone seen a credible update about Josh Homme?
Can't find anything that confirms his status.

Edit: NM....apparently he didn't tour with the band on this trip.

http://www.spin.com/2015/11/hostages...n=spinfacebook

jeffman · 11-13-2015, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stang

What would happen if we just said "eff this" and instead of bombing and taking revenge, we all just packed up and left the Middle East to fight their own war?

Even countries like China, phillipines and Thailand get attacked by these guys so I dont think itll do anything

Senator Clay Davis · 11-13-2015, 08:46 PM

New York Daily News has maybe the most disgusting cover in history for its paper tomorrow. Not gonna post any links or pics, but they are going to get lit up.

browna · 11-13-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Byrns

I'm sure the Paris attacks had some outside support. It was a pretty complex attack.

Maybe I am naive, but outside of some basic planning and the ability to have a cache of weapons, is this really that complex, especially in a huge city like Paris?

Once you get people willing to die for the cause, the acquiring of weapons (and almost sounds as if some home made mutions are part of this) are probably not that too hard for those people to get, likely from the same people who are able to recruit those people, again, especially in a large city such as Paris with all sorts of people moving around 24h a day in that city, thus there's not suspicions.

Then its just those few groups of people that get told from that person that the plan is, at 7pm on a certain date (not months and months of chatter that can get intercepted) to carry things out. Targets are picked out in advance, and then all emerge from the shadows of their nearby rented apartment to open fire on whoever, wherever, and then blow themselves up.

I think we're giving these scum a lot of credit for using words like "complex" and "coordinated" just because they've been given some weapons and can read a watch and seperate groups do what they're told at these out at numerous sites.

Hockeyguy15 · 11-13-2015, 08:49 PM

Probably already said but CBC said that all the attackers from tonight have been killed, but they are still looking for accomplices. The French prosecutor (I think) said they expect the death toll to rise over 120.

Cappy · 11-13-2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

New York Daily News has maybe the most disgusting cover in history for its paper tomorrow. Not gonna post any links or pics, but they are going to get lit up.

I agree with you but it might be best to post a pic considering that we all are goingh to Google it now. They want click bait and your post is granting that.

Russic · 11-13-2015, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

New York Daily News has maybe the most disgusting cover in history for its paper tomorrow. Not gonna post any links or pics, but they are going to get lit up.

Whoa. That's just terrible. It's sad that I'm not shocked at all.

WCW Nitro · 11-13-2015, 08:54 PM

The problem is that everyone jumping on board and saying screw civilian casualties let's just start bombing are saying the same thing that some Muslims were saying when Iraq was being bombed. I truly believe that someone has to take a moral stand here and say that even if "our" civilians are killed, we will not retaliate by just bombing with no consideration for who dies.

browna · 11-13-2015, 08:57 PM

The NY Daily News had some gruesome ones for the Boston bombings, then also the on air execution of a reporter. All shock value.

The pic that they're using (or very close, at the same location) is also currently at the CBC website, however. Story, not, pic, linked below.

NSFW!

CorsiHockeyLeague · 11-13-2015, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

New York Daily News has maybe the most disgusting cover in history for its paper tomorrow. Not gonna post any links or pics, but they are going to get lit up.

Honestly I'm tempted to say I'm fine with it. I know the motivation behind doing it is wrong, but people should be shocked and horrified by the depiction of this event. It's a shocking, horrifying event. There is no sugar coating or tempering of this that should be done.

Buster · 11-13-2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

The problem is that everyone jumping on board and saying screw civilian casualties let's just start bombing are saying the same thing that some Muslims were saying when Iraq was being bombed. I truly believe that someone has to take a moral stand here and say that even if "our" civilians are killed, we will not retaliate by just bombing with no consideration for who dies.

The difference is "they" don't care.

It'a also the fundamental difference in the conflict in Israel. The hammas is willing to sacrifice their own populace to accomplish their goals, and the Israelis won't use human shields.

Resolute 14 · 11-13-2015, 09:05 PM

edit: forgot to refresh page. heh

calumniate · 11-13-2015, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by browna

Maybe I am naive, but outside of some basic planning and the ability to have a cache of weapons, is this really that complex, especially in a huge city like Paris?

Once you get people willing to die for the cause, the acquiring of weapons (and almost sounds as if some home made mutions are part of this) are probably not that too hard for those people to get, likely from the same people who are able to recruit those people, again, especially in a large city such as Paris with all sorts of people moving around 24h a day in that city, thus there's not suspicions.

Then its just those few groups of people that get told from that person that the plan is, at 7pm on a certain date (not months and months of chatter that can get intercepted) to carry things out. Targets are picked out in advance, and then all emerge from the shadows of their nearby rented apartment to open fire on whoever, wherever, and then blow themselves up.

I think we're giving these scum a lot of credit for using words like "complex" and "coordinated" just because they've been given some weapons and can read a watch and seperate groups do what they're told at these out at numerous sites.

I'm not sure but it could be due to the efficiency and scale, etc. Apparently the Charlie hebdo attacks could have been much worse had the culprits been seasoned

CorsiHockeyLeague · 11-13-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

The difference is "they" don't care.

It'a also the fundamental difference in the conflict in Israel. The hammas is willing to sacrifice their own populace to accomplish their goals, and the Israelis won't use human shields.

Well, if you really, honestly believe in paradise, then there's no way the plan can fail. Innocent civilian casualties? Innocent collateral damage as a result of using people as human shields? We just did them a favour; they're now in paradise.

Captain Crunch's "death cult" terminology is, for an unfortunately significant number of very fanatical individuals, not a misnomer.

Harry Lime · 11-13-2015, 09:41 PM

Unfortunately, there is only one way to walk away from the middle east, and that is true isolation. It is pretty clear that no one has the stomach for that, either economically or socially. It may also not work at all, as consolidation of power into the hands of the few will just perpetuate itself.

The option that would be ideal, is to find a way to get the 4.5 million soldiers under arms in north africa to take an active and aggressive role against extremism. Up till now, there isn't much interest in pursuing that, outside of Turkey, Jordan and the recently crushed (by us) army of Iraq.

Long term, we need to find a way to get as much western style education to the masses of these countries as we can. Educated people are rarely a physical threat, or easily swayed by magical arguments.