Explosion near Stadium in Paris, multiple shootings and hostage taking...

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by kerriffic

So from reading that thread on reddit supposedly some of the the the gunman were shouting "this is for Syria", I am unsure if true what the end goal would be as France only started airstrikes in Syria in Sept. And really if in retaliation for that the only thing that would come of it is just going to be harder for Syrian migrants as they are all going to be seen as terrorists (unfairly of course). I never really can wrap my head around what a terrorists end goal is sometimes, besides death and destruction.

Terrorists are actually bigger threats to Muslims than foreigners. ISIS (for example) has only killed a handful of forigners, yet killed thousands of their own people and destroyed their land. Boko Haram is another example.

These are people who care not of religion or their people. They are thugs that abuse/subvert religion to support their gangster-ism.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by kerriffic

So from reading that thread on reddit supposedly some of the the the gunman were shouting "this is for Syria", I am unsure if true what the end goal would be as France only started airstrikes in Syria in Sept. And really if in retaliation for that the only thing that would come of it is just going to be harder for Syrian migrants as they are all going to be seen as terrorists (unfairly of course). I never really can wrap my head around what a terrorists end goal is sometimes, besides death and destruction.

The extremists have never really seemed overly worried about the welfare of the average Syrian.

Edit: And as old dutch said above, it's other muslims who feel the brunt of these attacks. These kind of attacks are regular occurrences in places like Iraq, Yemen, Lebanon, etc...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Why the hell are they NOT storming it?! We've seen numerous times in the past that laying low, negotiating or whatever simply doesn't work. It never works. Quit playing into their game!

There's a playbook that both sides follow in a hostage crisis.

The police try to save as many lives as they can by gathering intelligence, seeing if they can negotiate with the terrorists even if it costs the lives of a few innocents.

The terrorists if they are the standard fare (Which I doubt in this place) try to establish their resolve and make their demands.

Sadly if this is an ISIS based terrorist attack, or even one that originates in the immigrant community, this will result in a lot of European countries either slamming their borders shut or increasing security on incoming immigrants or their communities.

I will make a bet that if this did come from Syrian Immigrants or refuges that they had a background that was either missed due to lax screening or they came in through leaky borders.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

3 assailants reportedly were in Bataclan. One was killed. Still hearing reports that GIGN did assault the building a few minutes ago, may still be ongoing.

Still no official confirmation from police for obvious reasons.

[polak]

Originally Posted by neo45

Syrian refugees are not going to be violent. If they had any violence in them they would be able to defeat ISIS who they badlyout number. They are scared, desperate, weak people who simply just need help

The paranoia is that any one could pose as a fleeing refugee

[Lego Man]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

As a society we can not worry about what might come to pass 2-3 generations away. We have a duty to humankind to provide assistance now when it is needed

If we don't were no better than the terrorists they are trying to run from

Well, to deal with the problem in your way leads directly to this situation happening right now.

Maybe it's not so simple, and we do need to worry about what might come to pass in future generations and react accordingly in the present.

[Ozy_Flame]

I doubt any of the attackers are coming out of this alive.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I doubt any of the attackers are coming out of this alive.

The French will probably try to capture them alive if possible.

[CaptainCrunch]

I will add that the French have a history of very immediate and very surgical responses to terrorist events within their own border.

Their intelligence services, special operations groups and foreign subverts can be classed as excellent.

They won't as much bomb population centers for example as they will go after leaders both domestically and abroad.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Agence France has now updated that this apparently coordinated attack was launched in seven separate locations. That is a surprisingly large scale for the generally unsophisticated methods that appear to have been used here.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

I doubt any of the attackers are coming out of this alive.

I doubt that any of the attackers care if they're coming out of this alive.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hey, PIMKing, maybe take your racist garbage elsewhere.

Is he invading your safe space? I don't agree with him, but he's allowed to voice his opinion.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If they cared you'd expect they'd have covered their faces, which they apparently didn't.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Police raid on Bataclan has been confirmed. Apparently they've asked for news to stop updating on anything ongoing there during the raid.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by blankall

The French will probably try to capture them alive if possible.

Indeed. Once they see the end is near, they'll likely turn their guns on themselves if the authorities didn't already kill them.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Still watching France24. Some people have managed to get out and are speaking to radio. Sounds like... well, like what was described above. Absolute carnage.

As for assailants - 2-3 people, not wearing face masks, enter theatre and fire on crowd using AK-47s. Gunfire took place over 15 minutes and multiple reloads of the rifles.

There has been a media gag order placed on anything coming out of Bataclan. This might be the last we will hear until survivors are allowed to be interviewed. I think that the raid was the right decision. It didn't look as if the gunmen had any interest in stopping.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by neo45

Syrian refugees are not going to be violent. If they had any violence in them they would be able to defeat ISIS who they badlyout number. They are scared, desperate, weak people who simply just need help

I don't disagree, however the concern is that ISIS and other radical groups have been taking advantage of the refugee crisis which has overwhelmed government immigration departments in terms of back ground checks etc. to seed European nations with their own people, kind of like introducing a cancer cell to a system.

I think that we will see more and more of these kind of attacks in Europe.

Honestly the best result for ISIS is to create uncertainty and resentment towards the refugee and immigrant communities which will make them breeding grounds for domestic recruitment.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Is he invading your safe space? I don't agree with him, but he's allowed to voice is opinion.

Yeah, and I'm voicing my opinion that it's racist garbage. What's the problem?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I doubt that any of the attackers care if they're coming out of this alive.

I hope they enjoy the afterlife then. It's not gonna be what they thought.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I cannot believe that people are taking political postures on this while people are still bleeding to death on the floor of a Paris concert hall.