Montreal to Begin Dumping Untreated Sewage into the St. Lawrence

[Thor]

But really, what matters most is this

https://images.plurk.com/eW1zZJI5X.gif

[Dion]

The Liberals are such hypocrites. They complain about Albertas dirty oil and yet they allow all this raw sewage to get dumped into the St, Lawrence.

[Thor]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Liberals are such hypocrites. They complain about Albertas dirty oil and yet they allow all this raw sewage to get dumped into the St, Lawrence.

You did not read anything above?

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I did read it. You think she's unfit to lead because a previous colleague (who later wrote as the lead on the expedition himself as he wanted) and his daughter didn't like how she dressed or how she was "emotional"?

Her questionable belief was shared and still is by many others. We can play this charade with any given candidate.

Despite the National Post unsurprising attempt at a smear job, Trudeau chose a scientist who had led many projects, and was part of a Nobel Prize winning organization on Climate change.



Again, she's very qualified and far more than many, many previous ministers. Remember when Harper appointed a creationist chiropractor? Was your outrage so strong?

Is geography even 'real' science? Isn't it more humanities/arts - so a social science?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Is geography even 'real' science? Isn't it more humanities/arts - so a social science?

Medical geography. She also teaches climate science

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Liberals are such hypocrites. They complain about Albertas dirty oil and yet they allow all this raw sewage to get dumped into the St, Lawrence.

What is the impact of this raw sewage being dumped into the St larwance on a temporary basis?

its sounds like you are saying poop is icky it must be bad.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Is geography even 'real' science? Isn't it more humanities/arts - so a social science?

As a Geographer, I feel I better clear that up for you. Some aspects of Geography are absolutely humanities based, and you can get a BA in Geography, though it still does require "real" science. Many people get a B.Sc. in Geography that requires plenty of real science courses. It is a very diverse field. Even those with a BA in Geography have far more experience with scientific method than humanities/arts.

It's one of the reasons Geography gets shuffled around so much, it is hard to pigeonhole. It involves statistics, computer science, earth science/geology, engineering, humanities, and math.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by Thor

Well,

1. We have a Science minister finally, yay!
2. Harper did everything to muzzle and direct science to be beneficial to business and muzzle those who would challenge it.
3. http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/...al-indictment/

We have come out of a dark age in government science. The gag orders, the cutting and promoting "business science" has been a long list of a frankly scary approach by the previous government. A Republican approach if you will on science, silence, unfund, promote business people in science positions...

Of all the things people criticize the PC government for, the crap that has happened against science policy in Canada and the environment is so damning even Nature covered it, which is not exactly a partisan magazine.

This is just typical leftist rhetoric - much in the same way you decree Harper's policies "the Republican approach." Cutting the long-form census, being tough on drugs, and muzzling scientists to the extent he did was certainly not right, but slashing government industries, and ensuring the health of the Canadian economy were two things he was repeatedly voted into power to do, and two things he did rather well.

Having a Science Minister is something I think most people would agree with. However, at a time when scientists are rejoicing that the "war on science" is over, we've got a leading neurologist quipping that "This is the most curious appointment since Caligula named his horse as consul" when he has every reason to be overjoyed.

Further, the science minister enters the fray with fears from her peers that she will exert “top down” political pressure on the scientific community" and that the new minister is "closed-minded to cutting-edge work from outsiders" isn't exactly heart warming. Especially when one takes it in conjunction with her stubbornness to deviate from her position on MS treatment despite there being strong evidence to suggest her theory is wrong.

I understand she's not even settled into her chair yet with her title, and that she deserves time. That's fair. However, it is equally as troubling to me that we could go from having a government that wouldn't listen to science at all, to a government only willing to listen to science that it agrees with.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

As a Geographer, I feel I better clear that up for you. Some aspects of Geography are absolutely humanities based, and you can get a BA in Geography, though it still does require "real" science. Many people get a B.Sc. in Geography that requires plenty of real science courses. It is a very diverse field. Even those with a BA in Geography have far more experience with scientific method than humanities/arts.

It's one of the reasons Geography gets shuffled around so much, it is hard to pigeonhole. It involves statistics, computer science, earth science/geology, engineering, humanities, and math.

Thank you for fielding that one fellow Geographer.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by T@T

Nope, they poop but don't fart.

You're ####ting me, right?

[Dion]

@ChrisLeahey1 Montreal Mayor #DennisCoderreYou are truly a disgrace #montrealsewage pic.twitter.com/CPuyP0a7Cs

8:30 PM - 11 Nov 2015

[kerriffic]

Anyone remember the Halifax bubble that was only fixed a few years ago? I'm surprised at the outrage, here in St John's we still pump raw sewage directly into the harbour. The city opened up a water treatment plant last year but it still only treats %50 of what is entering the Atlantic. No one here seems to give a damn.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by surferguy

Thank you for fielding that one fellow Geographer.

Thought you'd appreciate that

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by kerriffic

Anyone remember the Halifax bubble that was only fixed a few years ago? I'm surprised at the outrage, here in St John's we still pump raw sewage directly into the harbour. The city opened up a water treatment plant last year but it still only treats %50 of what is entering the Atlantic. No one here seems to give a damn.

The outrage has everything to do with the government change. The new government ran on an environmental platform and some people (looking at you National Post) want to use it to criticize the new government. Never mind the fact that the new government has been in power less than 2 weeks and inherited this problem and that they made the city implement mitigation measures that weren't in place before they took power.

[Rathji]

To me it seems like dumping sewage into water is a bad idea, but I have zero factual information to back up other than I certainly don't want to be in a swimming pool with someone taking a dump. However, I wonder if there is any other factors in play, like does the ecosystem somehow absorb a portion of the sewage (do fish eat poop? ).

Just random ramblings about something I know little about.

[starseed]

From time to time Montreal releases billions of litres of sewage into the St. Lawrence. The public complains about the impact of the human sewage mixing with beluga feces because it is gross to them. The cities downstream see no impact on their drinking water. No long term effects pop up.

Then we start the cycle again several years down the road.

Guys, if this were a legitimate environmental issue, you would not have the green party's solution be 'just hold off for two months and do it in the winter'.

[Looch City]

The relative volumes of the sewage versus the river makes the pollution effects negligible.

Same reason as to why the small amounts of mercury in vaccines are harmless.

It's all about dilution and the ppm of the toxin.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Dion

@ChrisLeahey1 Montreal Mayor #DennisCoderreYou are truly a disgrace #montrealsewage pic.twitter.com/CPuyP0a7Cs

8:30 PM - 11 Nov 2015

You a big supporter of this Chris Leahey fellow Dion?

More examples of Mr. Leahey's opinions from his Twitter feed.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisLeah...58469468897281

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChrisLeah...41278957813761

A man is judged by the company he keeps Dion. This guy, who you support by posting his tweet, is a xenophobic hate monger.

I know you're not.

Don't get so caught up in the partisanship that you carelessly mis-state who you are and what you stand for.

I made that mistake here once. In my haste to win a point in an Israel-Palestine thread, I carelessly posted a link from what turned out to be a obviously anti-Semetic website to support my case. I got called on it (and rightfully so), felt embarrassed as hell and knew I'd tarnished what precious little reputation I had as a poster. I still regret it today.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Thor

Man I've never seen Canada so partisan since near and after this election. I really hope we are not going the way of the states. My friends back in Calgary are constantly blasting anything they can and blaming the Liberals.

The economy is down so people are looking for someone to blame. It's the NDP's fault that so and so lost their job, not the low price of Oil. It's Trudeau's fault that Alberta's future looks bleak, not our inability to prepare for busts during boom times.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Iggy City

The relative volumes of the sewage versus the river makes the pollution effects negligible.

Same reason as to why the small amounts of mercury in vaccines are harmless.

It's all about dilution and the ppm of the toxin.

I agree the volume it self makes it negligible, but that sounds awfully similar to the early climate change naysayers. It is the culminate effect of all things that needs to be looks at. Right now, sure it may not appear to effect much but dumping anything into the ocean just seems like a bad idea.