[News] Jarome Iginla "only" a 105% chance of making HHOF

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What is "our generation"? I mean, you're wrong regardless, but I'm just curious if it includes Nick Lidstrom, which would elevate this statement to absurd territory.

You're right. Lidstrom has 4 cups over 30 years of playing to to Toews' 3 cups over 8 years of playing.

They both have 1 Conn Smythe.

Lidstrom has an Olympic Gold Medal though! Oh snap, Toews has 2!

Its almost like they arent comparable because of eras and positions and such, but lets ignore that and keep arguing!

Its going to be awesome to watch them battle it out! Whats that? Lidstrom is retired and Toews is still playing and their only non-positional tie-breaker is 1 cup? What a shame! I'm sure that'll stand though, it would be 'absurd' otherwise.

Right? Absurd!!!!!

[curves2000]

Anybody disputing that Iginla won't make the HOF isn't actually watching any hockey at all and has been living under a rock for the last 20 years.

This being said some of the goal total figures being thrown around I think might be a little high for a 38 year old who will have a diminished role SOMEWHAT in the years ahead.

My personal opinion is that Iginla will MAYBE sign another 1 year deal after the expiration of his existing deal which will take him until his 40th birthday. He might try and pick a contender again or stick with the Avs or something considering their young and talented.

He still and will continue to have the physical capabilities to play and probably the health too, Iginla is one of the rare athletes who have escaped major injury and missed time for a solid chunk of his career. His skills wont diminish very much but what usually wears on a player approaching 40+ is the little things. The travel, time away from family, the practices, the off-season training, moving around etc.

Iginla has got to be top 10 players in NHL earnings I would suspect so its not money that would be driving another year or so. Players like Jagr who are still putting up points at this age are so fun to watch but a guy like Jagr is the ultimate bachelor. Sooner or later the family, health and life after hockey take precedent over another long and grueling season.

Just my thoughts.

[trackercowe]

I hope Ovechkin somehow gets to 894. I don't see it happening, there's probably a 5% chance of it happening. But he's at 483 now, so if plays another 10 seasons (including this one) until he hits 40 it could happen.

Let's say he puts up another 47 this year to make it to 530, that means he needs 364 goals at the age of 30. He could play another 10-12 seasons, and only needs to average 32-36 goals to make it there. He's been quite durable over the years, and Europeans often have longevity in their careers (Jagr, Hasek, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Larionov). I think if he keeps putting up 50-60 for the next few seasons and is in arms reach of Gretzky's total he will do whatever it takes to beat the record.

As someone who does hold all of Gretzky's numbers in high regard I would love to see one of major records fall, otherwise it may never happen. I just wish Ovechkin hadn't of missed time during the lockout, I'd think with an extra 70 goals tacked on he could have hit 1,000 goals for all we know. And I know Gretzky missed time in the 1995 lockout, but he wasn't scoring at nearly the same rate then.

[Buck Murdock]

A little off topic, but is there bad blood between Iginla and the Flames?

[curves2000]

Anybody disputing that Iginla won't make the HOF isn't actually watching any hockey at all and has been living under a rock for the last 20 years.

This being said some of the goal total figures being thrown around I think might be a little high for a 38 year old who will have a diminished role SOMEWHAT in the years ahead.

My personal opinion is that Iginla will MAYBE sign another 1 year deal after the expiration of his existing deal which will take him until his 40th birthday. He might try and pick a contender again or stick with the Avs or something considering their young and talented.

He still and will continue to have the physical capabilities to play and probably the health too, Iginla is one of the rare athletes who have escaped major injury and missed time for a solid chunk of his career. His skills wont diminish very much but what usually wears on a player approaching 40+ is the little things. The travel, time away from family, the practices, the off-season training, moving around etc.

Iginla has got to be top 10 players in NHL earnings I would suspect so its not money that would be driving another year or so. Players like Jagr who are still putting up points at this age are so fun to watch but a guy like Jagr is the ultimate bachelor. Sooner or later the family, health and life after hockey take precedent over another long and grueling season.

Just my thoughts.

[Da_Chief]

Where's McDavid? I think he's probably around 80% right now.

[curves2000]

Mods: Double post occurred in error during wifi outage. Apologizes

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

And so he should. Probably the best player of our generation.

What is "our generation"? I mean, you're wrong regardless, but I'm just curious if it includes Nick Lidstrom, which would elevate this statement to absurd territory.

[vilzeh]

is adc actually moon? because that would make too much sense.

[adc]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

is adc actually moon? because that would make too much sense.

No

And I'm not mikey or quinces or any of the others I have been accused of either.

But if you want to talk about this feel free to PM me.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I hope Ovechkin somehow gets to 894. I don't see it happening, there's probably a 5% chance of it happening. But he's at 483 now, so if plays another 10 seasons (including this one) until he hits 40 it could happen.

Let's say he puts up another 47 this year to make it to 530, that means he needs 364 goals at the age of 30. He could play another 10-12 seasons, and only needs to average 32-36 goals to make it there. He's been quite durable over the years, and Europeans often have longevity in their careers (Jagr, Hasek, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Larionov). I think if he keeps putting up 50-60 for the next few seasons and is in arms reach of Gretzky's total he will do whatever it takes to beat the record.

As someone who does hold all of Gretzky's numbers in high regard I would love to see one of major records fall, otherwise it may never happen. I just wish Ovechkin hadn't of missed time during the lockout, I'd think with an extra 70 goals tacked on he could have hit 1,000 goals for all we know. And I know Gretzky missed time in the 1995 lockout, but he wasn't scoring at nearly the same rate then.

I love watching Ovi score at a torrid pace and it pisses me off a lot that he sat through two lockouts as well. Easily another 50 goals, up to 60 or maybe 70 that he is missing. Iggy is my all time favorite player, so ditto for him. When Iggy finally hangs em up, he'll be counted among the legends of the game IMO and it sucks because he probably could have had an extra 50 as well.

I doubt Ovi beats out Wayne's goals record, but the fact that he is going to get close playing from 2005-20xx whereas Wayne played from 1979 to 1999 is (to me) is even more impressive.

Basically for my money, if Ovi finishes 2nd all time in goals, he will be the greatest goal scorer of all time. If he finishes first, (even after two lockouts) well then by golly that man is simply something else.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

I hope Ovechkin somehow gets to 894. I don't see it happening, there's probably a 5% chance of it happening. But he's at 483 now, so if plays another 10 seasons (including this one) until he hits 40 it could happen.

Let's say he puts up another 47 this year to make it to 530, that means he needs 364 goals at the age of 30. He could play another 10-12 seasons, and only needs to average 32-36 goals to make it there. He's been quite durable over the years, and Europeans often have longevity in their careers (Jagr, Hasek, Lidstrom, Fedorov, Larionov). I think if he keeps putting up 50-60 for the next few seasons and is in arms reach of Gretzky's total he will do whatever it takes to beat the record.

As someone who does hold all of Gretzky's numbers in high regard I would love to see one of major records fall, otherwise it may never happen. I just wish Ovechkin hadn't of missed time during the lockout, I'd think with an extra 70 goals tacked on he could have hit 1,000 goals for all we know. And I know Gretzky missed time in the 1995 lockout, but he wasn't scoring at nearly the same rate then.

Nhl.com just did an article about Ovi's scoring pace.

"I think he might be the best goal scorer since Gretzky," Brett Hull said, "unless he passes Gretzky."

Source: http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...id=DL|NHL|home

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

What is "our generation"? I mean, you're wrong regardless, but I'm just curious if it includes Nick Lidstrom, which would elevate this statement to absurd territory.

Do you consider 19Yzerman19 the greatest player of our generation?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Do you consider 19Yzerman19 the greatest player of our generation?

Eh Squiggs, where's the snake thread? That was the best

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Eh Squiggs, where's the snake thread? That was the best

The snake is sick right now. It's waiting for his chance, but is buried under a rock right now.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

They should probably just put Iginla in now like they did with Pronger.

If Iginla retires at the end of his contract, who is he likely going up against for Hall of Fame induction?

Would he get in on the first ballot he is eligible for? If I was voting, yes, but is that how the committee will see it?

Seeing how Iggy was robbed of the Hart Trophy, Theodore will likely get that vote from the committee as well.

[powderjunkie]

This is barely related to this thread, but Lidstrom is my number 5 player of all time after Gretz, Lemieux, Orr and Howe (excluding goalies).

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Seeing how Iggy was robbed of the Hart Trophy, Theodore will likely get that vote from the committee as well.

As mentioned many times, Theodore was left completely off the Hart ballot more than Iginla was that year. Works both ways. Honestly it was really a 2 horse race, both of them were ridiculously good. The difference was one guy made the playoffs in a weaker conference.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Locke

You're right. Lidstrom has 4 cups over 30 years of playing to to Toews' 3 cups over 8 years of playing ... Lidstrom has an Olympic Gold Medal though! Oh snap, Toews has 2!

Neither of them have any cups. Teams win cups. Toews on the Oilers would not have resulted in the Oilers winning three, or any, cups. Nor do they have any gold medals. Had Toews been born Slovenian, he would have seen as much success in international tournaments as Kopitar.

Your post reveals that your opinions on which players are better appears to be discerned not by hockey playing ability, but by results. Further, it's not even individual results, it's team results (and apparently place of birth). You are so far out of your tree on this topic it's actually laughable.

Please stop digging.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Neither of them have any cups. Teams win cups. Toews on the Oilers would not have resulted in the Oilers winning three, or any, cups. Nor do they have any gold medals. Had Toews been born Slovenian, he would have seen as much success in international tournaments as Kopitar.

Your post reveals that your opinions on which players are better appears to be discerned not by hockey playing ability, but by results. Further, it's not even individual results, it's team results (and apparently place of birth). You are so far out of your tree on this topic it's actually laughable.

Please stop digging.

To be fair, Lidstrom or Toews on a bad team probably wouldn't have resulted in the same individual stats either. Lidstrom played on one of the best teams in the last 30 years.

Individual stats don't tell the complete story, and team accomplishments tell more of the story than the 0% you believe they tell. But laugh away if it comforts you.