VW Emissions Rigging

[Vulcan]

With Volkswagen it will probably be another case of too big to fail.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Simon96Taco

That's a bit of a bold statement, no? Because VW got caught cheating, all other carmakers are cheating?

I think I would tend to agree. Other automakers weren't claiming to have impossibly good emissions for their engines.

That was the whole thing that spurred the investigation - how could Volkswagen produce these engines with such low emissions, yet universities couldn't duplicate.

[Bill Bumface]

Shut down GM, Ford, Honda, Kia, Hyundai, Caterpillar, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, Mack, Navistar International, Renault, S.A. and Volvo.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ollution-tests

[Fuzz]

http://jalopnik.com/volkswagen-diese...paign=mondayPM

BRB, going to the parkade to collect VW VINS...

[Zulu29]

Was hoping for something more substantial than that...welp, join a class action lawsuit it is.

[Calgary14]

So what's to stop someone from going to any parkade, writing down the VINs of small VW diesels then registering on the site to have the visas mailed to them?

[Dan02]

dunno getting charged with fraud maybe?

[Wormius]

Pretty sure VW knows who the car owners are, or at least the first owner. How else would you get recall notices, etc?

[Weitz]

How do you write down someones VIN? I am pretty sure mine is only on the inside of the car and on the door.

Albeit, I don't have a VW.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Weitz

How do you write down someones VIN? I am pretty sure mine is only on the inside of the car and on the door.

Albeit, I don't have a VW.

They're visible thru the windshield usually on the driver's side dash. That's not exclusive to VW.

[Wormius]

Isn't it on your vehicle registration? Wouldn't that be a better proof of your ownership of said vehicle? At least for Alberta. Not sure about other provinces / states / countries.

[chemgear]

Didn't realize this thing was still being strung along. Apparently there are gas models with cheating emissions as well that are probably going to wind their way through court.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/volk...nada-1.3903045

Volkswagen Canada has reached a proposed deal to compensate about 105,000 Canadian vehicle owners affected by a diesel engine emissions scandal that rocked the company.

Under the deal, owners will be able to sell their vehicles back to the company, trade them in for new vehicles or get them repaired. Affected Canadian owners will also get between $5,100 and $8,000 in compensation, depending on the make and model of their vehicle.

U.S. owners will also get between $5,100 and $10,000 US each, conditional on the age of the vehicle and whether the owner had it before Sept. 18 of last year.

[Ashasx]

I assume the trade-in value would be as if this scandal never happened?

[GP_Matt]

Do the owners really suffer in this case? Assuming they never get the system fixed, they will continue to drive a car that gets the promised mileage. The tailpipe emissions are worse than they thought but I would guess most owners don't actually care.

The real harm is to the environment which is where the compensation should go.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Do the owners really suffer in this case? Assuming they never get the system fixed, they will continue to drive a car that gets the promised mileage. The tailpipe emissions are worse than they thought but I would guess most owners don't actually care.

The real harm is to the environment which is where the compensation should go.

Every single VW diesel sold in Canada would still pollute less than pickup trucks in Calgary alone. I find it hard to care about that kind of stuff as long as the EPA continues to let the domestics off the hook with the loopholes for SUV's and light trucks. If the EPA was really serious they would all fall under gas guzzler tax but they know that would cripple the domestic who make most of their money off SUV and truck sales.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I find it hard to care about that kind of stuff as long as the EPA continues to let the domestics off the hook with the loopholes for SUV's and light trucks.

How do those loopholes cater to domestics? Porsche and other imports enjoy the exact same loopholes.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by kunkstyle

How do those loopholes cater to domestics? Porsche and other imports enjoy the exact same loopholes.

Sure you can find a list of low volume performance and luxury cars that enjoy the loopholes but the key words are 'low volume' also the importer such as Porsche pays GGT which is passed along to the customer as a hidden cost. Ford will sell more F150's today than all those vehicles combined in a year.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

Do the owners really suffer in this case?

Depends. If you bought a vehicle based on your environmental footprint, you didn't get what you paid for. The biggest thing is resale- it will be much harder to sell the vehicle, and you will get less money for it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Depends. If you bought a vehicle based on your environmental footprint, you didn't get what you paid for. The biggest thing is resale- it will be much harder to sell the vehicle, and you will get less money for it.

Most people that purchase diesel are interested in fuel mileage over environmental footprint as the actual emissions of a diesel powered car are not any better as while they emit less hydrocarbons they emit more NOx and particulates. It's a pick your poison thing as far as environmental footprint.

Owners should get compensated and the only ones to suffer should be VAG as there has to be steep consequences to for a large scale breach of ethics such as this.

[GP_Matt]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Depends. If you bought a vehicle based on your environmental footprint, you didn't get what you paid for. The biggest thing is resale- it will be much harder to sell the vehicle, and you will get less money for it.

I would bet that most car consumers think of fuel economy as the only measure of a vehicles environmental footprint. If that is true, the only way the fuel economy changes is if you let them fix the computer program to produce cleaner emissions at the expense of fuel economy. If they aren't forced to correct the issue then it is the environment that suffers, not the consumer.

The same thing applies to anyone who has a diesel truck and puts in a chip to double the fuel economy by bypassing the DEF and whatever else and spewing out all kinds of pollution. (I don't know what it actually does, but the guys who do it swear it cranks up their mileage a ton.)