[News] Jarome Iginla "only" a 105% chance of making HHOF

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The Russian Mob made Bettman award Ovi the 3 Harts.

The the Mob consistently threatens goalies league-wide to let Ovi score on them so he can collect Rockets year after year.

Ovi sucks man, don't you know?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by adc

Top 5 players?

1. Crosby 2. Price 3. Toews 4. Tavares 5. Stamkos

Tough to leave off a defenseman but I can't differentiate between Doughty, Keith and Weber right now. I think any of those could be best defenseman in the league and I couldn't argue.

Probably too much respect to Stamkos but I think his best is right up there in the top 3, whether he gets back there is tough to say.

For centers I think I have Kopitar 6th behind the 4 there and Getzlaf.

You not even having Ovechkin in your top 5 is a joke.

I can no longer take anything you post seriously.

[adc]

Originally Posted by codynw

You not even having Ovechkin in your top 5 is a joke.

I can no longer take anything you post seriously.

I don't have Ovechkin in my top 10.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I already made my argument for Crosby winning the 2013 Hart Trophy in this thread.

If there was a Canadian Media bias they could have easily given that award to him or Tavares or the two Canadians that had more points than Ovechkin.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by adc

I don't have Ovechkin in my top 10.

lol

Ok then.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by codynw

You not even having Ovechkin in your top 5 is a joke.

I can no longer take anything you post seriously.

Originally Posted by adc

I don't have Ovechkin in my top 10.

I think that kind of shows how close in talent the elite are these days... really hard to distinguish a top 20 (though I clearly have a top 9).

A decade ago, Iginla was a top 5 easy on every list. Pretty cool. (Anybody remember the Iginla vs Bertuzzi debates?)

[adc]

Originally Posted by codynw

You not even having Ovechkin in your top 5 is a joke.

I can no longer take anything you post seriously.

Same for Phanutier as well then?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Komskies

Rank    Player                    G/A
1.    Gordie Howe*            925
2.    Jaromir Jagr            832
3.    Wayne Gretzky*            758
4.    Teemu Selanne            741
5.    Brett Hull*            738
6.    Jarome Iginla            705
7.    Brendan Shanahan*    672
8.    Phil Esposito*            671
9.    Maurice Richard*    653
10.    Luc Robitaille*            652
11.    Bobby Hull*            644
     Steve Yzerman*            644
13.    Joe Sakic*            643
14.    Mark Messier*            628
15.    Mario Lemieux*            616
16.    Marcel Dionne*            610
17.    Mike Gartner*            609
18.    Dave Andreychuk            605
19.    Alex Ovechkin            602
20.    Mats Sundin*            599

If you want to make a case for Iggy making the HHOF (which isn't necessary as he will guaranteed make it in), all you have to do is take a look at the all-time Era adjusted NHL goal scoring leaders. There's Iggy, 6th place all-time, ahead of some of the best players to ever play the game. Players marked with an asterisk are already in the HHOF.

Originally Posted by adc

I don't have Ovechkin in my top 10.

You should probably have Ovechkin in your top 10.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by adc

So the differences are small like I said but in favor of Toews in every case.

The only differences without bias are points and they are a virtual deadlock there.

Faceoffs can't make the difference between 2 and 16.

If you are going to put Kopitar behind Getzlaf and Stamkos on a list, I think you have to do the same with Toews.

[genetic_phreek]

Anyone know how many EN goals Iggy has scored? I know all goals count regardless of how but I'm really curious because from his time with the Flames he scored a ton of empty netters and still continues to do so.

Would be curious to have that stat for all players too.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Anyone know how many EN goals Iggy has scored? I know all goals count regardless of how but I'm really curious because from his time with the Flames he scored a ton of empty netters and still continues to do so.

Would be curious to have that stat for all players too.

Someone tallied it up once, I think it may have even been a CP poster and I think it's less than 15 or 20 over the course of his career. Basically, a couple per year.

If you think about it makes sense too. Even if Iginla was out there for every opportunity late in a game trying to hold the lead, how many games was Calgary in a position to be doing that between Iginla's first season with the Flames and his last season?

It's not like there were 50-60 games per season where the flames were leading late into the third period.

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Someone tallied it up once, I think it may have even been a CP poster and I think it's less than 15 or 20 over the course of his career. Basically, a couple per year.

If you think about it makes sense too. Even if Iginla was out there for every opportunity late in a game trying to hold the lead, how many games was Calgary in a position to be doing that between Iginla's first season with the Flames and his last season?

It's not like there were 50-60 games per season where the flames were leading late into the third period.

You're right. Here is the thread. It hasn't been updated for 3 years though.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthr...=jaromes+total

He must be at 30 by now. I know he already has 1 this season.

[CroFlames]

Haha that thread is funny.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

Anyone know how many EN goals Iggy has scored? I know all goals count regardless of how but I'm really curious because from his time with the Flames he scored a ton of empty netters and still continues to do so.

Would be curious to have that stat for all players too.

On NHL.com, go to the Stats link and in the three drop-downs across the top select: "Skaters" > "Scoring" > "Goals".

In the grey section, under "Seasons", select a range of years and check "Aggregate Results". For a list of all active players, use a range that goes back to at least 1990-91 to get Jagr's totals and check the "Active" box under "Player Status".

Then, click the "Apply Filters" button, and sort the list by the "ENG" column.


For active players, Marian Hossa has scored the most ENGs, with 36 in 1184 games. Iginla is second with 32 in 1406 games. Surprisingly, Ovechkin is third overall, ahead of Jagr and Thornton, despite having played significantly fewer games.



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Checking the all-time list, Hossa and Iginla are still first and second overall. Gretzky and Lemieux are tied for third overall, two behind Iginla.

That's probably misleading though, because it looks like there are no ENG numbers prior to the 1987-88 season. That's nearly half of Gretzky's career, so his ENG numbers were likely much higher. It also cuts off about 200 games for Lemieux.

[genetic_phreek]

NM. Posted above.

[trackercowe]

Why do people bother arguing with Moon? He provides good, sometimes even logical arguments. But he'll never move from his position, or even compromise no matter what is said. So really beyond knowing his position it's pointless to have any sort of discussion with him, as you'll often become bewildered after it.

The best goal scorer in the league is not in his top ten... kay.... I also think Ovechkin has improved defensively, after his years with Hunter and now Barry Trotz. He's no Towes or Kopitar, but he's not as absent on the backcheck as he once was.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by codynw

lol

Ok then.

adc is moon, and he is just mooning up the thread. He'll be banned (again) sooner rather than later (again), then will return with another handle shortly after that (again). There's no point in engaging him when he's being deliberately contrary to get people going.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by adc

I don't have Ovechkin in my top 10.

One of the best goal scorers in NHL history doesn't make your top 10?

That makes me ignore everything else you have to say about top 5.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by codynw

Why should Crosby have won the Hart in 2013? He missed 25% of the season (lockout shortened, I know, still 1/4 of the season).

If that year went to anyone other than Ovechkin, it should have been Tavares.

Originally Posted by codynw

Missing games should never be a plus.

And yes, he was the best player. That's why he won the Ted Lindsay, for most outstanding player. He didn't win the Hart, for most valuable player, because he wasn't very valuable sitting in the pressbox.

Ovechkin would have been more valuable if he took the first quarter of that season off - he was hot garbage.

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

By that logic, a goalie should never win the Hart because they only play about 80% of the games.

But they play 100% of the minutes when they do play, and touch the puck way more than any position player.

[FireGilbert]

Ovechkin might be the greatest goal scorer of all time. I don't think he can catch Gretzky's record but at age 30 he already has 483 goals putting him only 318 behind Howe for 2nd all time. He could catch Howe with 8x40 goal seasons which isn't too unrealistic considering he has scored at a 50 goal/season pace so far in his career and isn't showing signs of slowing yet.

Also, Ovechkin is playing in an era dominated by goaltending. He might have put up a 100 goal season if he got to play against the same goalies that Gretzky did in the 80s.