Wow ISIS is going to be wiped off the face of the earth. Along with everything around them.
No more half measures.
If we want to get serious about fixing the problem, we're going to need to occupy the Middle East for a lot longer than 10 years. We can't make the same mistake as the US in "cleaning up" the area, dismantling the Iraqi army, putting in an idiot like al-Maliki, and then leaving the area only for the disenchanted former servicemen and insurgents to rise up and re-surge and cause mayhem just like we're seeing in Iraq. FWIW, Afghanistan are also seeing a resurgence of the Taliban.
Otherwise we may as well not waste our time. Several trials of 10 year-long 1st world intervention has yet to fix the problem.
Did the consensus say why? Saudis are Sunni. Same sort of ######ed values as ISIS.
It is no secret that the Saudis want Assad gone in order to install a Saudi-friendly regime. Their hope is that the "moderate" rebels/AQ/ISIS will overthrow Assad. Unfortunately, Russia finally stepped in to lend assistance to her ally providing a counter-terrorism campaign to the Saudi-backed terrorists.
In a nutshell, the Russians are hampering the efforts of the Saudis (and Americans) to topple Assad.
ISIS had immediately claimed that they shot the plane down. Now it is believed that a bomb brought the plane down. If ISIS did this, I would think they would know how they did it.
Moscow, acting as the actual “good guys”, have “ruined everything” for the Saudi-American alliance. Thus, the Saudis/Americans met the Russian actions with a desperate reply.
Was Metrojet Airbus A321-200 part of this response? I think so.
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In order for Russia to do that, they require ground troops. Lots of them and Afghanistan is still fresh in its memory.
My guess is that the goal will be to carve up Syria into small statelets similar to what the situation was decades ago when the League of Nations placed Syria under French mandate.
So you will have Shi'ites, Sunnis, Kurds, etc with their little enclaves. That won't go over well with Turkey, of course.
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It is no secret that the Saudis want Assad gone in order to install a Saudi-friendly regime. Their hope is that the "moderate" rebels/AQ/ISIS will overthrow Assad. Unfortunately, Russia finally stepped in to lend assistance to her ally providing a counter-terrorism campaign to the Saudi-backed terrorists.
In a nutshell, the Russians are hampering the efforts of the Saudis (and Americans) to topple Assad.
ISIS had immediately claimed that they shot the plane down. Now it is believed that a bomb brought the plane down. If ISIS did this, I would think they would know how they did it.
Moscow, acting as the actual “good guys”, have “ruined everything” for the Saudi-American alliance. Thus, the Saudis/Americans met the Russian actions with a desperate reply.
Was Metrojet Airbus A321-200 part of this response? I think so.
Killing 220 innocent Russians isn't a very good tactic to get them to leave, now everybody trying to topple Assad is going to feel the wraith of the Russian war machine. Putin knows Obama is a wimp so he'll do what he wants now.
The part bolded implies the U.S could be part of a terror attack bombing a civilian airliner is absolutely ridiculous.
And if you look carefully the so-called Saudi/American alliance is nothing but a smokescreen to protect Israel. Americans deep down could care less about these barbarians.
Killing 220 innocent Russians isn't a very good tactic to get them to leave, now everybody trying to topple Assad is going to feel the wraith of the Russian war machine. Putin knows Obama is a wimp so he'll do what he wants now.
The part bolded implies the U.S could be part of a terror attack bombing a civilian airliner is absolutely ridiculous.
And if you look carefully the so-called Saudi/American alliance is nothing but a smokescreen to protect Israel. Americans deep down could care less about these barbarians.
Point #1. Over the summer, a Saudi delegation went to Russia to discuss Syria, among other things. One of the Saudi proposals was for Russia to work on Assad and have him step down and, in exchange, the Saudis would move to send the price of oil higher. The Saudis also offered to reign in the Chechen terrorists. Putin declined and the Saudis left Russia in a huff. Shortly after, the Saudis supported the Iranian nuclear deal because they need some quid pro quo from the USA vis Syria/Yemen.
Suggesting an opinion that the Saudis backed this is one thing; however, proving it is another. This is why the narrative is steered towards ISIS or a mechanical failure. Without proof, the Russians will not / can't do anything directly to Saudi Arabia. I doubt a smoking gun will be found that points to the Saudis. All there is is speculation and not much direct action can be taken against speculation without making matters even worse in the region.
Thus, if the Russians truly believe the Saudis are behind this, you will likely see an increased level of assistance to the Houthis in Yemen. Houthis and other Shi'ites pressing the Kingdom from the south will be a huge problem.
Point 2. If you believe it is ridiculous, you are naive. The USA bombs civilians every single day of the year and no one cares. The US Navy brought down an Iranian airliner with not so much as a shoulder shrug. They bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and then fired on doctors who were running away. You think they'd have a problem turning a blind eye to the Saudis bringing down a Russian plane? People need to quit regarding the USA as some benevolent do-gooder and realize that they are capable of nasty stuff.
Point 3. The US government cares about the Saudi government because the Saudi government sells their oil in US dollars. Full stop.
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Point 2. If you believe it is ridiculous, you are naive. The USA bombs civilians every single day of the year and no one cares. The US Navy brought down an Iranian airliner with not so much as a shoulder shrug. They bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and then fired on doctors who were running away. You think they'd have a problem turning a blind eye to the Saudis bringing down a Russian plane? People need to quit regarding the USA as some benevolent do-gooder and realize that they are capable of nasty stuff.
One hates to think this way, but it's true. The US has ran false pretences before to get the narrative they want, to go ahead with whatever undertaking it is they need to secure resources/area.
WMDs in Iraq, gulf of Tonkin, the aforementioned incidents. I wouldn't put it past them.
The thing that bothers me is off the hop we were being told two different stories from both east and west media. The whole thing stinks, and the fact that nation states will, or are capable of playing tiddily winks with hundreds of innocent lives over oil/money/area to influence public perception is sickening.
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Point #1. Over the summer, a Saudi delegation went to Russia to discuss Syria, among other things. One of the Saudi proposals was for Russia to work on Assad and have him step down and, in exchange, the Saudis would move to send the price of oil higher. The Saudis also offered to reign in the Chechen terrorists. Putin declined and the Saudis left Russia in a huff. Shortly after, the Saudis supported the Iranian nuclear deal because they need some quid pro quo from the USA vis Syria/Yemen.
Suggesting an opinion that the Saudis backed this is one thing; however, proving it is another. This is why the narrative is steered towards ISIS or a mechanical failure. Without proof, the Russians will not / can't do anything directly to Saudi Arabia. I doubt a smoking gun will be found that points to the Saudis. All there is is speculation and not much direct action can be taken against speculation without making matters even worse in the region.
Thus, if the Russians truly believe the Saudis are behind this, you will likely see an increased level of assistance to the Houthis in Yemen. Houthis and other Shi'ites pressing the Kingdom from the south will be a huge problem.
Point 2. If you believe it is ridiculous, you are naive. The USA bombs civilians every single day of the year and no one cares. The US Navy brought down an Iranian airliner with not so much as a shoulder shrug. They bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and then fired on doctors who were running away. You think they'd have a problem turning a blind eye to the Saudis bringing down a Russian plane? People need to quit regarding the USA as some benevolent do-gooder and realize that they are capable of nasty stuff.
Point 3. The US government cares about the Saudi government because the Saudi government sells their oil in US dollars. Full stop.
None of those points provide any concrete evidence to support your claim. Anyone can connect random dots of information to make outlandish claims.
I suggest you watch the youtube video below, and listen to the authors conclusion very closely. It has Game of Thrones spoilers here, so be aware of that, but the conclusion still applies to you.
Point #1. Over the summer, a Saudi delegation went to Russia to discuss Syria, among other things. One of the Saudi proposals was for Russia to work on Assad and have him step down and, in exchange, the Saudis would move to send the price of oil higher. The Saudis also offered to reign in the Chechen terrorists. Putin declined and the Saudis left Russia in a huff. Shortly after, the Saudis supported the Iranian nuclear deal because they need some quid pro quo from the USA vis Syria/Yemen.
Suggesting an opinion that the Saudis backed this is one thing; however, proving it is another. This is why the narrative is steered towards ISIS or a mechanical failure. Without proof, the Russians will not / can't do anything directly to Saudi Arabia. I doubt a smoking gun will be found that points to the Saudis. All there is is speculation and not much direct action can be taken against speculation without making matters even worse in the region.
Thus, if the Russians truly believe the Saudis are behind this, you will likely see an increased level of assistance to the Houthis in Yemen. Houthis and other Shi'ites pressing the Kingdom from the south will be a huge problem.
Point 2. If you believe it is ridiculous, you are naive. The USA bombs civilians every single day of the year and no one cares. The US Navy brought down an Iranian airliner with not so much as a shoulder shrug. They bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and then fired on doctors who were running away. You think they'd have a problem turning a blind eye to the Saudis bringing down a Russian plane? People need to quit regarding the USA as some benevolent do-gooder and realize that they are capable of nasty stuff.
Point 3. The US government cares about the Saudi government because the Saudi government sells their oil in US dollars. Full stop.
- The USA bombs civilians every single day of the year and no one cares. Exaggerate much? or do you have a proof that shows every day of the year the USA bombs civilians, I suppose you think they do jumping-jacks and high-fives when someone dies from friendly fire. it's war....it happens. - The US Navy brought down an Iranian airliner with not so much as a shoulder shrug.
Shoulder shrug! They thought the airliner was military, minutes before, an Iranian gunship fired at the US warships helicopter and then an aircraft comes on radar, after numerous attempts to contact the crew of the flight on military and civilian radio frequencies they received no response they then shot it down. They paid the Iranian families over $60 million for that "mistake" - They bombed a hospital in Afghanistan and then fired on doctors who were running away.
You left out the part where the Afghan forces called in the strikes, and it was the Afghans on the ground, should the US forces get a second opinion in a war zone before dropping the bombs?
You can choose to go all sceptic(other stuff you wrote) if you like but to suggest the USA would have anything to do with bombing a civilian aircraft out of the sky doesn't wash well with me.
it's war....it happens.
