If Hartley is fired, who would replace him?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Treliving extended Hartley during last season. Specifically, during the 8 game losing streak. Not after we made the playoffs, not after we beat the Canucks. After we had lost something like six straight games, some to teams like Buffalo and another to Jamie Benn single handedly. Treliving is also well aware of advanced stats and extended Hartley knowing that the team at that point in the season was playing way over its head.

I know when Bob got his extension. The team was 9 games over .500 prior to the 8 game slide when they were losing tight 1-2 goal games. Treliving even mentioned it was important to get the deal done at that time to eliminate any distraction and let the team the organization believes in Bob and his system.

Hartley has done a great job establishing a culture of hard work and teaching the young players what it takes to win and letting them make mistakes so they learn.

The losses this year are much different than last year and the team appears to have lost some of the identity they forged over the past couple years. if the team bottoms out this year I don't see how Bob doesn't have a very short leash.

[dammage79]

Hartley gets a longer leash than some think. Mid way through next season at the earliest.

[Vulcan]

I want to see how Bob handles this situation. Despite what one poster said he is giving more ice time to those who are earning it. Looking at the last box score Monahan's and Hudler's ice time is down while Bennett's is up. Backlund's getting less ice than Stajan for another example. He's also been mixing up the lines and the pairings. I think he should play Brodie 30 minutes a game though.

http://flames.nhl.com/gamecenter/en/...?id=2015020178

If they don't come out of this funk soon, I think his next step should be to change up the system. Maybe go to an all out trap to cut down the shots against.

I'd also second Carlyle as replacement. He got run out of Toronto by the media. When he left, the Leafs were in a playoff spot and than they went off the cliff.

[N-E-B]

I'd cry if Tippett was brought anywhere near this team.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is he The Walrus?

[Stupid]

Originally Posted by Flaming Homer

I dont understand the line of thinking in this. Last year Calgary had more flukey 3rd period comebacks than any other and barely squeaked into the playoffs. Hartley won because we were slated to be a bottom 5 team. Hartley methods haven't changed and we aren't getting those same miracle comebacks and our "riding the hot goalie" method isn't working when we can't find a hot goalie. Harley winning an award means absolutely nothing if you are unable to get the results the next year. There is obviously a problem with our strategies when we can't average a GAA under 4 goals per game with THREE different goaltenders put in. As much as theres been some stinkers I think a lot of things are pointing to the problem being a lot more than our goalies when were giving out almost 40 shots like yesterdays game. Hartley is no longer getting the results. You can tell team morale is down and if its decided that going forward with the same system isn't going to work you can Hartley that instant, Jack Adams winner or not.

The line of thinking is: Last year they did well and just about everyone thought Hartley was a great coach. I don't think Hartley is doing anything or much differently this year but suddenly he's a bad coach? Where is the logic in that? I don't think Hartley is the problem and there's something wrong with the line of thinking that Hartley is the problem because "he" is not getting the team to play well as if it's all his fault. The coach is not the sole responsible person for the team playing a certain way and letting go of a good coach because the entire team isn't playing well isn't a smart idea.

[polak]

Whats the coach responsible for then?

[Ruttiger]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Bob Hartley is not getting fired.

More a matter of 'if' than 'when'. How many coaches step down on their own schedule? Very few.

[Nsd1]

Bring back Brent Sutter.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Bring back Brent Sutter.

I think I would've agreed to that last season if the Flames were even considering for the McDavid Sweepstakes. But, HELL NO from here onwards.

[spuzzum]

I'd absolutely love Mike Keenan back. The man is a coaching Rockstar.

[Northendzone]

can we add mike ditka's name to the poll......

as mentioned above and presumably elsewhere in this thread, the flames had a lot of late game comebacks last year, and after the first few they became confident they could come back.

weather or not bob's coaching had anything to do with that - i guess only the players could tell you for sure.

a few more losses and this season is likely done, so why bring in an interim coach in december, let bob finish the season, then revaluate like you do every year.

the team likely over achieved last and is likely underachieving this year, perhaps they can find the middle ground.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

Bring back Brent Sutter.

I think the rule is we have to use all other Sutters before we can recycle previous ones.

Rich has never worked for the Flames at all.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I've always liked Carlyle. I thought he was in an unwinnable situation in Toronto, and they were much worse after he was let go. He even managed to get that awful team in the playoffs in the lockout shortened season.

He got a bad rap from the fishbowl media in Toronto, but he had enormous success with Anaheim before arriving there.

If I had to choose someone else to coach the team, it'd probably be Carlyle (Burke knows him well too). That being said, I like Hartley a lot and I doubt Carlyle is an upgrade on him, just a different yet equally capable choice.

Caryle was a great coach with the ducks... the Ducks were a cap team with veteran players and spending to the cap... He integrated Getzlaff and perry and Lupul and Penner into the line-up and worked with Pronger/neidermeyer and Selanne (big bucks veterans) to win a Stanley cup....

All his teams were cap teams. In Toronto.... getting them to the playoffs was spectacular coaching.

Hartley has coached the Flames for 4 years 2 years he has had a cap or near cap teams He did a great job with the floor team and an awful job with the cap teams.

Hartley has the highest paid defense in the league and 9M worth of goaltenders giving up a record number of goals.....

It is a lot easier coaching guys on short term cheaper contract players that are pretty self motivated rather than guys guaranteed 20M+ no matter how bad they play.

[getbak]

What is Sean Burke up to now? From what I remember, he left the Coyotes after last season because he wanted a bigger role than just being the goalie coach.

I'm not saying the Flames should hire him to replace Hartley, but I wonder if there's a role for him here? He worked wonders with the goalies in Phoenix, turning around the floundering careers of Bryzgalov, Smith, and especially Dubnyk. If there's one thing the Flames need now, it's an improvement in goal.

Obviously, he has a previous relationship with Treliving from their days in Phoenix. As an added bonus, his son is the goalie for the Hitmen.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by getbak

What is Sean Burke up to now? From what I remember, he left the Coyotes after last season because he wanted a bigger role than just being the goalie coach..

Also, I remember a rumour that he was in town to meet with Treliving this summer.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by getbak

What is Sean Burke up to now? From what I remember, he left the Coyotes after last season because he wanted a bigger role than just being the goalie coach.

I'm not saying the Flames should hire him to replace Hartley, but I wonder if there's a role for him here? He worked wonders with the goalies in Phoenix, turning around the floundering careers of Bryzgalov, Smith, and especially Dubnyk. If there's one thing the Flames need now, it's an improvement in goal.

Obviously, he has a previous relationship with Treliving from their days in Phoenix. As an added bonus, his son is the goalie for the Hitmen.

Read a story he was ready to get back to work and looking to land somewhere.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SHOGUN

I doubt Hartley gets canned any time soon. Tippett is still in Phoenix.

I would put my head in the oven if I had to watch a Tippett coached team night in and night out.

[Vinny01]

Spector put out an article on Sportsnet hinting the players might be getting tired of Hartley

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Spector put out an article on Sportsnet hinting the players might be getting tired of Hartley

Spector is full of something brown and smelly, as usual.