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Originally Posted by polak
Wow where to begin.
A) I post plenty of positive stuff.
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You're the most consistently negative poster on this board. That title used to belong to Moon, but he's not here anymore.
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Unfortunately this season the only positives to discuss are Bordie, Gaudreau and Bennett. I still have plenty of good things to say about our prospect base and our performance last season.
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You weren't saying much positive last season.
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You just choose to ignore the positive things I say because it's usually lost in a sea of positivity or it's something that is obvious. I'm sorry that I'm not manufacturing lies to make myself feel better about this team like some people on here like to.
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Manufacturing lies? That's a pretty heavy accusation. Back it up or retract it.
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I'm not paid by the Flames to find some positivity in this debacle like Fan960.
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Funny, I always thought the Fan 960 paid the Flames for the broadcast rights, not the other way round.
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Never like any move this organization has made? I wrote many positive things about Gio's signing, Hamilton trade, Backlund signing, Frolik signing... etc.
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And as soon as they actually started playing this season, you were one of the first to say that every one of those things was a bad move.
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B) So every suggestion made by a fan here better be followed by an exact plan on how to accomplish such a suggestion?
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Take your strawman and beat it somewhere else. If you think Hartley isn't the best available coach for the Flames, it's on you to name an alternative that you think would be better. If you don't think that, you have no good reason to want him fired.
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Well out of all the things posted on here, a simple job headhunt should be the easiest thing that Treliving has to do during this disaster. He's a manager. Identifying and hiring candidates is right smack in his wheelhouse.
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If it's so easy, tell us how to do it and where the candidates are.
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C) This is a fan message board. Everything suggestion made on here can be written off as trying to "please a self-styled fan". So Treliving should go on an impossible mission of finding a goalie to "please a self-styled fan" who is just going to bitch the moment he sucks. Or Treliving should go on an impossible mission of trying to find someone who is willing to take Wideman just to "please a self-styled fan" and leave a gaping hole in our D. You can go all day.
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If Wideman is as bad as you say, then his absence won't leave a gaping hole. If he isn't as bad as you say, then trading him away is not an impossible mission. You can't have it both ways.
Now, you obviously missed the point of my using the phrase ‘self-styled fan’. That referred to you particularly, since I see very little evidence that you are a fan of anything, and a great deal of evidence that you are someone who likes to bitch on message boards.
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The point is to make suggestions that have some logic in them, explaining why you think that it's a good idea and if possible, even suggest a way of doing it.
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Right. And you are suggesting that Hartley should be fired, but you do not have an alternative (which would provide the logic and explain why you think it's a good idea). Firing him and not having a coach is certainly
not the way it's done.
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Finding a goalie, Fixing the D? All vastly more complicated and risky than firing the coach and following a process that has been done a million times in the NHL to find a new coach.
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Bull. Every team in the NHL finds several new roster players every year.
Here's something you seem not to know: One of the early advanced-stat guys in hockey – I believe it was Iain Fyffe – did an analysis of teams that fire their coaches in mid-season. They nearly always fire the coach during a long losing streak or cold spell, and generally show improvement afterwards. But he was able to demonstrate that the improvement usually has very little to do with the new coach. Most of it can be accounted for by simple regression towards the mean. Chances are that the teams involved would have improved whether the coach was fired or not, because slumps don't last forever.
Now, this does not account for cases like the firing of Dallas Eakins in Edmonton, because Eakins was genuinely incompetent. Nor does it account for cases like the firing of Carlyle in Toronto, where the team actually got worse after the coaching change because the new coach was incompetent. But Fyffe showed that it's a common occurrence. So if the Flames fire Hartley, it may make people like you feel better, but it's unlikely to cause them to play any better than they would play if Hartley stayed on.
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For all you know, there's some AHL coach that's on the up and up with a potential idea on what to do with the Flames who could blow Hartley out of the water.
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For all you know, there isn't. But since your plan (if I can call it that) depends on such a person existing, the onus is on you to show that there is one.
