[News] Ramo starts vs the Flyers

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by Gundo

Good, it's about time we ride a goalie and see what we can get from them.

Honestly I agree with this. We all want to see Ortio play more. But we need to ride a goalie and maybe they can find some form. Nobody is hot right now so it makes no sense to switch through them until one claims the spot. Also if we are going to ride a goalie I want I to be ramo. Ortio is a prospect I don't want us to throw him out there for 4 losses in a row and ruin his confidence.

I get the feeling the flames are a bit wary of riding Ortio and putting it all on him. It could work or it could be horrible for his development and confidence.

The way I see it our problems stem from issues with the system that worked wonders for us last season. We lived by it last season and we may die by it this season. We also have a few players performing at notably lower levels this season. Hudler Monahan wideman russell giordano have all been a bit off for different reasons.

I don't think our goalies have been good but they haven't been as bad as their combined 870 save percentage which I believe is last in the league. They have let in untimely softies but they haven't been terrible all the time.

Ride Ramo out and see if he can help the team get going. If he can, awesome. If he can't... At least it wasn't Ortio in there being hung out by his d.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by GB70

we could have a ressurected Terry Sawchuck in net in his prime. And he'd be no better an option then Ramo atm.

I see a few people saying this and it's just flat out wrong.

Yes there's defensive problems at the moment, but the goaltending has been outright atrocious.

Knowing your goalie is capable of bailing you out is a huge part of the team's mental make up.

Also, you have to have a goalie who's capable of stealing the odd game for you.

Those two points alone show it's VERY relevant to address the problem in net. Just because there are more than one problem doesn't mean several of them can't be addressed, and a change in what's going on in net could really spur a change throughout the entire line up. It's the most important position in hockey for a reason.

[N-E-B]

At this point why not? I'm passed the point of caring who plays in goal anymore. I don't think any of those three guys are good options right now. If we're being honest with ourselves, this season is pretty much over barring a miracle. I'm just going to sit back, enjoy watching Johnny, Sam, Monahan, and Brodie and see what happens.

[Trailer Fire]

I'm cautiously optimistic. Maybe Ramo will find his groove and be decent again. Hopefully our defensive coverage improves a little bit.

[GB70]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

I see a few people saying this and it's just flat out wrong.

Yes there's defensive problems at the moment, but the goaltending has been outright atrocious.

Knowing your goalie is capable of bailing you out is a huge part of the team's mental make up.

Also, you have to have a goalie who's capable of stealing the odd game for you.

Those two points alone show it's VERY relevant to address the problem in net. Just because there are more than one problem doesn't mean several of them can't be addressed, and a change in what's going on in net could really spur a change throughout the entire line up. It's the most important position in hockey for a reason.

Yes the goalies have been putrid. But the defense has also shown zero confidence in any goaltender. I'm not entirely convinced bringing in another goaltender is the answer. There's problems in the team that are more then just the goaltender . To that I completely agree with.

Look at Winnipeg. How many times have people called for Pavlec to be punted to the curb ? Yet he's still there. I think were in the same boat with our current goalies an it's on the team to play better as a group.

[tvp2003]

Is this really a surprise? Ramo is rocking a stellar 0.871 save % right now, compared to Ortio's pedestrian 0.868 and Hiller's grotesque 0.861. We can't lose!

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by GB70

Yes the goalies have been putrid. But the defense has also shown zero confidence in any goaltender. I'm not entirely convinced bringing in another goaltender is the answer. There's problems in the team that are more then just the goaltender . To that I completely agree with.

Look at Winnipeg. How many times have people called for Pavlec to be punted to the curb ? Yet he's still there. I think were in the same boat with our current goalies an it's on the team to play better as a group.

Pavlec's been under contract. Hiller and Ramo are UFA's after this season.

It's something that needs to be addressed eventually, and if a deal makes sense, it would be silly to just ignore that problem because the defense isn't playing well at the moment.

It's difficult reading the handful of people saying "the greatest goalies of all time wouldn't help this team right now".

Yes, they sure would. A competent goalie would make a big difference and help everything else fall into place. Everything starts and stops with good goaltending and what we're getting now isn't even bordering on competent.

[crapshoot]

So, Jakub Voracek haven't scored yet this season...

[Benched]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

So, Jakub Voracek haven't scored yet this season...

was just coming to post this. 'slump-buster! Next up: Vorachek!'

[heep223]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Ortio had his chance and didn't make the best of it. Ramo is the best option right now.

Why has Ramo gotten like 20 chances and Ortio would be limited to 1? That seems silly.

Ramo sucks. We know this.

In my view Ortio still has potential upside to explore.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

So, Jakub Voracek haven't scored yet this season...

I guarantee he will have a 2G 1A game.

[GB70]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Pavlec's been under contract. Hiller and Ramo are UFA's after this season.

It's something that needs to be addressed eventually, and if a deal makes sense, it would be silly to just ignore that problem because the defense isn't playing well at the moment.

It's difficult reading the handful of people saying "the greatest goalies of all time wouldn't help this team right now".

Yes, they sure would. A competent goalie would make a big difference and help everything else fall into place. Everything starts and stops with good goaltending and what we're getting now isn't even bordering on competent.

Good points, cheers on the conversation. Hopefully a new goalie will change the fortunes.

[Dr. Doom]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Honestly I agree with this. We all want to see Ortio play more. But we need to ride a goalie and maybe they can find some form. Nobody is hot right now so it makes no sense to switch through them until one claims the spot. Also if we are going to ride a goalie I want I to be ramo. Ortio is a prospect I don't want us to throw him out there for 4 losses in a row and ruin his confidence.

I get the feeling the flames are a bit wary of riding Ortio and putting it all on him. It could work or it could be horrible for his development and confidence.

The way I see it our problems stem from issues with the system that worked wonders for us last season. We lived by it last season and we may die by it this season. We also have a few players performing at notably lower levels this season. Hudler Monahan wideman russell giordano have all been a bit off for different reasons.

I don't think our goalies have been good but they haven't been as bad as their combined 870 save percentage which I believe is last in the league. They have let in untimely softies but they haven't been terrible all the time.

Ride Ramo out and see if he can help the team get going. If he can, awesome. If he can't... At least it wasn't Ortio in there being hung out by his d.

Who said anywhere that Hartley is going to ride Ramo?

He's George Costanza when it comes to pulling the opposite of what you'd expect you just wait and see!

Me thinks he flips a coin at breakfast tbh

[agulati]

Rotating goalies has not worked for the team so far. It might be causing the defense to not get into a rhythm since each goalie has a different style. With a consistent goalie in net, we might see some consistency in the back end. I am going to the game tomorrow, first game this season. Hopefully Flames figure it out.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by crapshoot

So, Jakub Voracek haven't scored yet this season...

It's not a question of if he scores it's how many. After seeing the Flames provide McDavid his breakout game and give Byron a breakaway goal it appears the Flames will be the cure for slumping teams and players.

I'm no Ramo fan but really what else could Hartley do given how bad Ortio has looked when given a chance? Leland Irving got bounced out of the NHL for playing better than these guys.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by pepper24

Ortio had his chance and didn't make the best of it. Ramo is the best option right now.

Two starts in a month equates to 'had his chance'?

Ramo has started 5 times - wouldn't that mean he's had his chance?

I don't have a problem with Hartley running with a goalie to get him going, but your post makes zero sense

[EVERLAST]

if we chain Ramo to the crossbar hes a good goalie.

If he just stopped over pursuing the puck half the team wouldnt have to be trying to dive in front of the shots hes not gonna save because hes not in net.

This guy needs to play deeper in his net to be successful .

[Flash Walken]

The Flames are obviously trying to spare Ortio and I completely agree with the decision.

Ortio will get starts once the team in shows they can play some team defense in front of Ramo.

No sense throwing Ortio into this fire. It doesn't benefit him in any way to get shell shocked night after night because the guys in front of him don't want it bad enough. Best to keep letting him get reps in practice, and hopefully more starts once Ramo or Hiller are dealt.

You're paying Ramo 3.8 million dollars, you might as well put him in net to take the heat

[Azhouse]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Leland Irving got bounced out of the NHL for playing better than these guys.

Leland has a .939 in Minny's farm system hmmm....

[vicarious]

Ramo's save percentage has nowhere to go but up...