Russian Airbus crashes in Egypt

[Zulu29]

If that claim is true they had better be afraid. They're not playing with the west anymore, Russia is a completely different beast and will spare nothing to get full revenge.

[flamesfan6]

So far egypt and russia have dismissed the claim

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by PIMking

if ISIS did this Putin will bring the fire of 1000 suns down on them and wipe them from the planet.

So people still don't understand that this is the exact sort of response the terrorists are trying to provoke?

9/11 resulted in the dismantling of constitutional protections of privacy, and due process, everyone having to take their shoes off at the airport, and two protracted wars which have cost the United States a literal #### zillion dollars, and provided Islamoc extremists with another 50 years of recruiting material. Among other things.

Osama bin Laden vs USA is unequivocally the most lopsided defeat in US history.

So by all means, Russia. Have at the Middle East. I'm sure it'll work out. Just because it never has at any point in the last thousand years doesn't mean it won't this time

[sharkov]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So people still don't understand that this is the exact sort of response the terrorists are trying to provoke?

9/11 resulted in the dismantling of constitutional protections of privacy, and due process, everyone having to take their shoes off at the airport, and two protracted wars which have cost the United States a literal #### zillion dollars, and provided Islamoc extremists with another 50 years of recruiting material. Among other things.

Osama bin Laden vs USA is unequivocally the most lopsided defeat in US history.

So by all means, Russia. Have at the Middle East. I'm sure it'll work out. Just because it never has at any point in the last thousand years doesn't mean it won't this time

I don't think Russia cares how many terrorist will be recruited as Russia is more into brute force and has less constraints than the west. The more terrorist created, the more terrorist will be wiped out kind of like the 2nd chechen war in which Grozny turned into the most destroyed place on earth. Today, Chechnya is mostly pacified especially compared to the 90's

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by sharkov

I don't think Russia cares how many terrorist will be recruited as Russia is more into brute force and has less constraints than the west. The more terrorist created, the more terrorist will be wiped out kind of like the 2nd chechen war in which Grozny turned into the most destroyed place on earth. Today, Chechnya is mostly pacified especially compared to the 90's

I agree. Russia had really big problems with Islamic terrorists in places like Chechnya and Daegestan. After relentlessly pounding these regions with everything they have, they've basically wiped most of the insurgency out.

Not saying they can do the same thing with the Middle East, but Russia's way of dealing with terrorists is complete and utter brute force. Russia will destroy your house, your village, your city, whatever it takes.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Johnny199r

I agree. Russia had really big problems with Islamic terrorists in places like Chechnya and Daegestan. After relentlessly pounding these regions with everything they have, they've basically wiped most of the insurgency out.

Not saying they can do the same thing with the Middle East, but Russia's way of dealing with terrorists is complete and utter brute force. Russia will destroy your house, your village, your city, whatever it takes.

If every country did it this way there wouldn't be terrorists.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by T@T

If every country did it this way there wouldn't be terrorists.

What?

If every country did this we would be in nuclear winter right now.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

What?

If every country did this we would be in nuclear winter right now.

What?

Do terrorists have nuclear weapons?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by T@T

What?

Do terrorists have nuclear weapons?

Probably not yet. You also need to take into consideration who are terrorists. Russia seems to have wide ranging definition of everyone who's in their way.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Probably not yet. You also need to take into consideration who are terrorists. Russia seems to have wide ranging definition of everyone who's in their way.

By definition I think we all know who the terrorists are. If they ever get their hands on a nuclear weapon they will use it immediately...this is exactly why they should be crushed down to the size of an atom.

I don't like a lot of things about Putin and Russian's ability to lie their asses off but I do like the way they deal with threats to their homeland. (stomp the bug that dares to bite your foot attitude)

Think of it this way, If Osama bin Laden attacked a Russian embassy in 1998, 9-11 would never have happened in Russia like it did in the USA.

[calgaryblood]

This Russian propaganda is kind of funny. Why are they looked at as being so powerful? When have they done anything lately? America would wipe them off the map in 10 minutes flat and any country for that matter.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by T@T

By definition I think we all know who the terrorists are. If they ever get their hands on a nuclear weapon they will use it immediately...this is exactly why they should be crushed down to the size of an atom.

I don't like a lot of things about Putin and Russian's ability to lie their asses off but I do like the way they deal with threats to their homeland. (stomp the bug that dares to bite your foot attitude)

Think of it this way, If Osama bin Laden attacked a Russian embassy in 1998, 9-11 would never have happened in Russia like it did in the USA.

So Russia doesn't deal with terrorism?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

So Russia doesn't deal with terrorism?

What?

If you have a point please share it!

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by T@T

By definition I think we all know who the terrorists are. If they ever get their hands on a nuclear weapon they will use it immediately...this is exactly why they should be crushed down to the size of an atom.

I don't like a lot of things about Putin and Russian's ability to lie their asses off but I do like the way they deal with threats to their homeland. (stomp the bug that dares to bite your foot attitude)

Think of it this way, If Osama bin Laden attacked a Russian embassy in 1998, 9-11 would never have happened in Russia like it did in the USA.

Yeah, the Russians did real well against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The way I look at it, first world powers have been interfering in the Middle East for 100s of years and every time it seems to get worse. Time to let them settle their own battles.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, the Russians did real well against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

The way I look at it, first world powers have been interfering in the Middle East for 100s of years and every time it seems to get worse. Time to let them settle their own battles.

Maybe it won't matter, Middle East might not be liveable soon.

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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

This Russian propaganda is kind of funny. Why are they looked at as being so powerful? When have they done anything lately? America would wipe them off the map in 10 minutes flat and any country for that matter.

Well for one, they're a nuclear superpower. Two, neither Napoleon or Hitler could take down Russia, and that was before they were a nuclear superpower.

Really, I just keep coming back to 'Russia is a nuclear superpower', and I think you disrespect them at your own peril.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by T@T

What?

Do terrorists have nuclear weapons?

This is not what I was implying.

I was pointing to the slippery slope argument and what would of happen in the last 60 years if the western world's first responses was to simply bomb them all, no matter who lived there when we thought there were terrorist in a village.

I believe this hostility would have created such a resistance from others in the world that there is a strong chance things would have built up to the point of nuclear nations at war.

Innocent lives matter, we should always hope our leaders deeply consider this when using our advance weapons, even if a village is predominantly evil. Having leaders who pull the trigger too early is cowardly as a society.

It was stated that Bill Clinton could have had Bin Laden, but it was at the expense of too many innocent lives. I won't pretend to know if he made the right choice there.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by T@T

What?

If you have a point please share it!

Kind of ironic you said "if BinLaden attacked the embassy in 1998 in Russia 9/11 wouldn't have happened"

Are you forgetting BinLaden the terrorist was pretty much born in the Russian war with Afghanistan where they lost? Seemed like they didn't and couldn't do a damn thing about him. Not to mention BinLaden and the Afghans won that war with the assistance from The U.S.

[KelVarnsen]

I hate to interrupt this conversation about Russian history with actual news but...

Kurt Hofmann
‏@atterseeluftfah
Crashed MetroJet A321 had been delivered on May 9 1997 to Libanese MEA. Damaged by a tailstrike in 2001, returned to service Feb. 2002

660 NEWS Calgary ‏@660NEWS
#BREAKING: A Russian aviation official says Russian passenger plane that crashed broke up at high altitude.

[Pointman]

Yes, Russian media report that jet fell apart in the air, presumably at high altitude. This led to speculations about explosion and terrorist attacks. However, some local expert argued that jet fell apart due to nosedive it took. Nosedive itself happened after both engines gave out. According to this source, if engines give out, autopliot turns the nose up to keep altitude that it is programmed to fly at. As jet loses speed, autopilor puts nose up more and more, eventually stoping the plane and sending it into nosedive.