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Harry Lime · 10-30-2015, 05:34 PM

Skinner has four years including this one. The only way the money works for a Skinner/Ward swap is if the Calgary end had Hiller/Raymond(or Backlund)/Russell going the other way. Are you telling me you wouldn't be up for that? It seems like a fair swap, especially if we can get Raymond involved somehow.

Not so Ninja Edit

Ward (6.3)
Liles (3.875)
Skinner (5.725)

Total (15.9 this year) (5.725 going forward)

Russell (2.6)
Raymond (3.15)
Backlund (3.575)
Hiller (4.5)

Total (13.825) (6.725 going forward)

With Ramo in the AHL, this fits under the cap. Unloads potential problems for both teams.
I really hate complicated, massive trade proposals, so I'm going to shut up now.
Point is, Carolina is a decent trading partner.

Fire of the Phoenix · 10-30-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

2014-15 15 players in the NHL with 30+ goals Dallas (2) Flames(2), 11 teams with 1, 17 teams with no 30 goal scorers.

2013-14 21 with 30+ Ana(2), Dallas(2), Boston (2),Pit(2), SJ(2), Toronto(2) and 9 with 1 and 15 teams with none.

Consistent 30 goal scorers (30+ the last 2 years in a row)

Alex Ovechkin
Corey Perry
Jamie Benn
Max Pacioretty
Tyler Seguin
Joe Pavelski

Pretty small list...

Iginla should still be on that list until proven otherwise. 29 last year is close enough.

Da_Chief · 10-30-2015, 08:31 PM

Kris Russell is atrocious.

Lanny_McDonald · 10-30-2015, 08:48 PM

I want to see the rebuild continue, and in earnest right now. We are going no where with the team we have have, and it falls on the shoulders of the veterans on this team. It is time to cut loose many of the guys that were brought in to be placeholders. I don't see Russell as a long term fit, nor Wideman. Both can be moved. I don't see Smid or Engelland being a fit either. They can be moved. With the poor play they have all brought this season they can be replaced from within the organization by Kulak, Nakladal, Wotherspoon, Culkin or Sieloff and the team probably improves. That gives the team flexibility to make deals for youth or picks and continue the rebuild going forward.

Erick Estrada · 10-30-2015, 08:52 PM

What can you say about this guy? The team tries to shelter him as much as possible and fourth lines are still taking advantage of him. There is zero excuse for him to leave Smith Pelly all alone in front of the net like that. If Treliving signs this guy to a deal it will be the first real career damaging black mark on his record.

Hugh Jahrmes · 10-30-2015, 09:44 PM

Don't take this the wrong way, everyone .. But maybe this team missed Grats in the offseason more than we know. This just doesn't make any f***ing sense

codynw · 10-30-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Don't take this the wrong way, everyone .. But maybe this team missed Grats in the offseason more than we know. This just doesn't make any f***ing sense

Your post doesn't make any sense. McGrattan wasn't even on the team last year.

Hugh Jahrmes · 10-30-2015, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

Your post doesn't make any sense. McGrattan wasn't even on the team last year.

Maybe suggesting a few guys cut loose a little more than they should have. There has to be some actual reason for this.

This would be more likely to be a major issue through the offseason than in the middle of their playoff push last hear.

"Over celebrating"

(Grats = calming influence, proponent of sober living)

Erick Estrada · 10-30-2015, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Maybe suggesting a few guys cut loose a little more than they should have. There has to be some actual reason for this.

This would be more likely to be a major issue through the offseason than in the middle of their playoff push last hear.

"Over celebrating"

(Grats = calming influence, proponent of sober living)

I think you are grasping at straws on this one.

Crumpy-Gunt · 10-31-2015, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by bax

Mantha is beyond overrated. I'd be surprised if he even carves out a setoguchi type career points wise.

I watched him quite a bit in the q and I think he will come good. Beyond overrated? He is a forgotten prospect due to injury. He has an extremely high offensive ceiling. He hasn't done much in the ahl and if there is any team with the patience and development to be able to see him become a star, it's Detroit.

I'd love to snag him. So would every other team.

Draft year 67games 50g 39a 89pts
Draft +1 57games 57g 63a 120pts

Being 6'5, a good skater with good hands and vision plus putting these kind of numbers up make for some high expectations. I wouldn't say he's a bust though or lucky to become setoguchi.

I think we'd have to add to Russell to pry him out of Detroit. Quite a bit more than just Russell. Would be a fantastic trade though

ricardodw · 10-31-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Maybe suggesting a few guys cut loose a little more than they should have. There has to be some actual reason for this.

This would be more likely to be a major issue through the offseason than in the middle of their playoff push last hear.

"Over celebrating"

(Grats = calming influence, proponent of sober living)

There are a bunch of Flames who had to spend a lot more time with their agents and then their financial planners than their personal trainers.

Frolik, Hamiton, Gio, Backlund all have a lot more $ and taxes to worry about.

Have Frolik, Gio and Hamilton set up foundations?

Vinny01 · 10-31-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Skinner has four years including this one. The only way the money works for a Skinner/Ward swap is if the Calgary end had Hiller/Raymond(or Backlund)/Russell going the other way. Are you telling me you wouldn't be up for that? It seems like a fair swap, especially if we can get Raymond involved somehow.

Not so Ninja Edit

Ward (6.3)
Liles (3.875)
Skinner (5.725)

Total (15.9 this year) (5.725 going forward)

Russell (2.6)
Raymond (3.15)
Backlund (3.575)
Hiller (4.5)

Total (13.825) (6.725 going forward)

With Ramo in the AHL, this fits under the cap. Unloads potential problems for both teams.
I really hate complicated, massive trade proposals, so I'm going to shut up now.
Point is, Carolina is a decent trading partner.

I like this trade a lot I think it addresses the Flames 2 biggest needs. If we could follow that up with a Bollig+Enegellend for Bickell the team would be looking in much better shape for the rest of the year

Skinner-Monahan-Hudler
Gaudreau-Bennett-Frolik
Colborne-Granlund-Jooris
Bickell-Stajan-Jones
Gio-Brodie
Smid-Hamilton
Liles-Wideman
Ward
Ortio

adc · 10-31-2015, 08:52 AM

That Carolina trade works for the Flames but not sure why Carolina would make it.

Split98 · 10-31-2015, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Skinner has four years including this one. The only way the money works for a Skinner/Ward swap is if the Calgary end had Hiller/Raymond(or Backlund)/Russell going the other way. Are you telling me you wouldn't be up for that? It seems like a fair swap, especially if we can get Raymond involved somehow.

Not so Ninja Edit

Ward (6.3)
Liles (3.875)
Skinner (5.725)

Total (15.9 this year) (5.725 going forward)

Russell (2.6)
Raymond (3.15)
Backlund (3.575)
Hiller (4.5)

Total (13.825) (6.725 going forward)

With Ramo in the AHL, this fits under the cap. Unloads potential problems for both teams.
I really hate complicated, massive trade proposals, so I'm going to shut up now.
Point is, Carolina is a decent trading partner.

I don't like losing Backlund, but I really do like taking the risk at getting Skinner.

Massive shake up we need with only Backlund effecting next year. Adds a chance for Granlund to step in.

Hell, who knows... maybe Ward has a comeback year with a new team. Lord knows it can't be worse than what we have now

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dissentowner · 10-31-2015, 09:16 AM

Carolina is playing decent hockey right now, why would they trade Skinner? They wouldn't.

Harry Lime · 10-31-2015, 10:41 AM

Skinner has been playing on the third line in Carolina (He has 3 points). At various times Ward has had his name on the block, with his salary being considered immovable. Think what you will of Liles, Russell is an upgrade. Raymond would be on their NHL roster without discussion, that's how thin they are. Backlund slots in as a #3 centre and is insurance against a very likely Staal trade. Eddie Lack is their goalie of the future, and perhaps now. Saves Carolina money, when their owner wants to shed salary.

Maybe a Carolina fan would think differently, but I suggested Carolina as a trade partner because I believe that the Flames match up pretty well with them. Tried not to be one sided, and suggested a huge trade to show the depth of the two teams needs. Carolina would arguably be better after a trade with Calgary. Calgary adds a prospect? Probably.

troutman · 10-31-2015, 10:48 AM

Trades that help the team now are useless. We are back to a long range build.

Harry Lime · 10-31-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by troutman

Trades that help the team now are useless. We are back to a long range build.

Totally agree. I think that we should be looking at trading anyone we don't see as "core", who has years left on their contracts, for upcoming UFAs and pieces that could help in two to three years time.

adc · 10-31-2015, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Skinner has been playing on the third line in Carolina (He has 3 points). At various times Ward has had his name on the block, with his salary being considered immovable. Think what you will of Liles, Russell is an upgrade. Raymond would be on their NHL roster without discussion, that's how thin they are. Backlund slots in as a #3 centre and is insurance against a very likely Staal trade. Eddie Lack is their goalie of the future, and perhaps now. Saves Carolina money, when their owner wants to shed salary.

Maybe a Carolina fan would think differently, but I suggested Carolina as a trade partner because I believe that the Flames match up pretty well with them. Tried not to be one sided, and suggested a huge trade to show the depth of the two teams needs. Carolina would arguably be better after a trade with Calgary. Calgary adds a prospect? Probably.

Russell and Hiller are UFA's so they only add value this year to a Carolina team that shouldn't care about this year.

Raymond is a negative for them because his cap hit is bad and for more than this year.

So basically that leaves them with Backlund as the only piece that would/should have interest for them and for that they have to give up SKinner who is much better now and has a much higher ceiling than Backlund. Plus if I am Carolina I would rather have Nash and Rask playing 3rd line center than putting Backlund in there.

Ward and Liles are UFAs this year so they actually end up adding money to the cap for next year and get worse. That doesn't seem it to save 2 million this year.

JiriHrdina · 10-31-2015, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ricardodw

There are a bunch of Flames who had to spend a lot more time with their agents and then their financial planners than their personal trainers.

Frolik, Hamiton, Gio, Backlund all have a lot more $ and taxes to worry about.

Have Frolik, Gio and Hamilton set up foundations?

Cripes you post some weird stuff. I don't even know what you are suggesting with this post.