Police officer uses force to remove girl from classroom in South Carolina

[terminator]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Why? Is everyone here a racist?

Bait bit.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by terminator

Bait bit.

Not sure what you mean by that, and I can't speak for everyone else... But I personally don't give a damn what race the cop or the girl was. Based on our limited knowledge of the situation, it looks like the cop definitely overreacted and should be disciplined; which he was.

You making that statement insinuates that folks around here are racist and would have different opinions on the matter if the victim was a white girl in a knee high skirt.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's concerning that people place blame on the girl. She was not posing an imminent threat to anyone and thus legally and morally there was no right to attack her like he did, end of story.

There's no argument you can make that will contradict that. The false equivalencies only serve to show the fundamental lack of basic understanding many of you have, legal authority is supposed to respond with force proportional to the risk the offender faces to the authority and the public. Since she posed none there was no justification, legally, for him to respond as he did. A police chase where civilians are in danger is 100% the polar opposite of someone sitting silently.

All the rhetoric, racist straw men arguments and failure-of-force-protocol" BS aside, this truly boils down the top you tube comment:

"Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."

[CaptainYooh]

My wife works with teenagers from troubled environments. They have discussed this video within their teaching team and could not come up with a solution that would have resulted in a more positive outcome considering the circumstances. What do you do when a child/teenager/young adult/adult openly and aggressively disobeys the authority causing unrest and distraction to others?

When a repeated request to stop distracting behaviour is ignored, there is a protocol at CBE that calls for restraint of a student by staff. Sometimes they cannot restrain a student because some of those kids are really strong and violent. In those cases, police is called immediately and they have to do whatever they are trained to do to restrain an offender. The video shows a classroom that is not "normal" but somewhat troubled. The fact that the officer may have lost his job/income/reputation while acting in difficult to react circumstances, is very unsettling.

This reminded me of a recent video of a really obnoxious woman that keeps challenging and verbally abusing a policeman in front of her 5 little children at the mall parking lot. She wouldn't stop and started pushing the officer, when he finally tazed her. There you go: viral video, violence, protests...

The respect for authorities has been vanishing steadily in the past 20 years. The age of constant video surveillance will add to that trend. Some politicians in US try to downplay this assumption, but it is true. North America is definitely moving towards cheap and easy home-schooling where an army of sociopaths will be raised without any ability to interact or live cooperatively in a productive and caring society. Very sad.

[adc]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's concerning that people place blame on the girl. She was not posing an imminent threat to anyone and thus legally and morally there was no right to attack her like he did, end of story.

There's no argument you can make that will contradict that. The false equivalencies only serve to show the fundamental lack of basic understanding many of you have, legal authority is supposed to respond with force proportional to the risk the offender faces to the authority and the public. Since she posed none there was no justification, legally, for him to respond as he did. A police chase where civilians are in danger is 100% the polar opposite of someone sitting silently.

No what is concerning is that some people see criticizing the girls actions as some how justifying the cops actions.

What I have seen for the most part is people saying what the cop did was uncalled for and what the girl did was wrong to. It isn't a one is right and one is wrong, both of the people involved were wrong. Both deserve blame for their actions. The cop may deserve more blame and punishment but that shouldn't absolve the girl for her actions. She is very much to blame for creating a needless situation, she was very much in the wrong for not following the teachers and cops requests to leave the desk and classroom.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by AcGold

It's concerning that people place blame on the girl. She was not posing an imminent threat to anyone and thus legally and morally there was no right to attack her like he did, end of story.

There's no argument you can make that will contradict that. The false equivalencies only serve to show the fundamental lack of basic understanding many of you have, legal authority is supposed to respond with force proportional to the risk the offender faces to the authority and the public. Since she posed none there was no justification, legally, for him to respond as he did. A police chase where civilians are in danger is 100% the polar opposite of someone sitting silently.

Who gives a #### whether or not she was an imminent threat to anyone? That may be your criteria for not touching her, but it isn't mine. You guys are acting like we all have an invisible force field around us and police can't and shouldn't touch us. When you are intentionally and fragrantly not complying with basic and simple commands by the police, then you can expect to be forced to comply.

I love how some of you think the classroom should have been emptied out. I'm not clear whether that was before or after they all sang Kumbaya. She's not a special snowflake. Thirty people should never have to put their lives on hold for somebody to have a tantrum. If you're being an absolute tit, you should be treated as such.

And where did this 'but if it was your kid, you'd think differently' crap come from? I've seen it on CP and everywhere else this is being discussed. This is exactly how I would expect myself or my kids to be treated if I/they were behaving like this.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Who gives a #### whether or not she was an imminent threat to anyone? That may be your criteria for not touching her, but it isn't mine. You guys are acting like we all have an invisible force field around us and police can't and shouldn't touch us. When you are intentionally and fragrantly not complying with basic and simple commands by the police, then you can expect to be forced to comply.

I love how some of you think the classroom should have been emptied out. I'm not clear whether that was before or after they all sang Kumbaya. She's not a special snowflake. Thirty people should never have to put their lives on hold for somebody to have a tantrum. If you're being an absolute tit, you should be treated as such.

And where did this 'but if it was your kid, you'd think differently' crap come from? I've seen it on CP and everywhere else this is being discussed. This is exactly how I would expect myself or my kids to be treated if I/they were behaving like this.

He wasn't saying it was HIS criteria, he was explaining the criteria used by police officers and law enforcement officials. As for YOUR criteria, unless your a cop, I don't, and I don't think anyone else, cares. And if you do work in law enforcement, that's disturbing.

The point is force proportionate to the situation. This was gratuitous force. It was confirmed by both his own agency, and the fact that he has been in trouble for excessive force in the past.

Yes, she escalated the situation by not complying. But her actions in no way deserved the response it got. Especially since he is supposed to be trained for situations like this, and is a 'professional' and she is a child.

[rayne008]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

My wife works with teenagers from troubled environments. They have discussed this video within their teaching team and could not come up with a solution that would have resulted in a more positive outcome considering the circumstances. What do you do when a child/teenager/young adult/adult openly and aggressively disobeys the authority causing unrest and distraction to others?....

CBE does have policies in place, and in this situation it would be removing the rest of the students from the class. Restraints are a last resort, however sadly they are used everyday in the city of Calgary.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Sliver

When you are intentionally and fragrantly not complying with basic and simple commands by the police, then you can expect to be forced to comply.

Good point. She probably picked the wrong perfume. I know I generally try to use a vanilla-scented candle when I'm fragrantly disobeying law enforcement

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Good point. She probably picked the wrong perfume. I know I generally try to use a vanilla-scented candle when I'm fragrantly disobeying law enforcement

It blends surprisingly well with the pepper spray and tear gas.

[AcGold]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Who gives a #### whether or not she was an imminent threat to anyone? That may be your criteria for not touching her, but it isn't mine. You guys are acting like we all have an invisible force field around us and police can't and shouldn't touch us. When you are intentionally and fragrantly not complying with basic and simple commands by the police, then you can expect to be forced to comply.

I love how some of you think the classroom should have been emptied out. I'm not clear whether that was before or after they all sang Kumbaya. She's not a special snowflake. Thirty people should never have to put their lives on hold for somebody to have a tantrum. If you're being an absolute tit, you should be treated as such.

And where did this 'but if it was your kid, you'd think differently' crap come from? I've seen it on CP and everywhere else this is being discussed. This is exactly how I would expect myself or my kids to be treated if I/they were behaving like this.

So you have no idea how the legal system works, the basic police mandates for handling offenders or a working knowledge of the English language. Good to know.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by AcGold

So you have no idea how the legal system works, the basic police mandates for handling offenders or a working knowledge of the English language. Good to know.

I'd be my left nut you never would have caught that mistake had somebody else not pointed out two posts above.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'd be my left nut you never would have caught that mistake had somebody else not pointed out two posts above.

Give, you'd give your left nut.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I'd be my left nut you never would have caught that mistake had somebody else not pointed out two posts above.

I hate people that belittle an arguement due to bad spelling or grammar, that said if your going to slag the guy off for calling you on your spelling or grammar it's a good idea to get the spelling right on the second post.

Unless, of course you are actually a left nut.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I hate people that belittle an arguement due to bad spelling or grammar, that said if your going to slag the guy off for calling you on your spelling or grammar it's a good idea to get the spelling right on the second post.

you're, if you're going to slag the guy off

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Give, you'd give your left nut.

Bet, you'd bet your left nut,

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Bet, you'd bet your left nut,

I am just happy I didn't call you out on your pommie spelling of argument.

[calgaryblood]

The most disturbing part of the video isn't the cop body slamming the girl. It's everyone's reaction to it. They all just look so nonchalant like they see that all the time.

[Sliver]

Goddammit I'm logging off for the day hah.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am just happy I didn't call you out on your pommie spelling of argument.

I'd wager my Jacobs eh!