10-28-2015, 09:08 AM
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Looking at how many people get shot or abused by police, especially black people, it's not hard to figure out why this girl wouldn't want to go with him. I do think that the assault may have looked worse than it was. When he grabs the girl, she appears to flail which caused her to fall harder than if she submitted, but like I said, I can see why submitting may have been difficult for her.
edit: I take back the flailing part. I think she was just ragdolled after seeing it again.
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10-28-2015, 09:16 AM
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#62
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ources-n452881
Looks like Officer Slam is getting fired today. And the girl has a cast on her arm as well as neck and back injuries. I watched the video on a big tv last night and you'd have to be totally mental to think police work includes this sort of thing.
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10-28-2015, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...ources-n452881
Looks like Officer Slam is getting fired today. And the girl has a cast on her arm as well as neck and back injuries. I watched the video on a big tv last night and you'd have to be totally mental to think police work includes this sort of thing.
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Yes the girl was a turd for doing what she did. But that cop went way overboard. Looks to me like he snapped at her for not obeying his commands. That situation could have been handled better in many different manners, yet he chose to use what appears to be excessive force and rag doll her around.
Also, shoutout to the guy in the video wearing a ninja turtles jacket.
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10-28-2015, 09:26 AM
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Man, I cannot believe people actually think that he was right to do what he did. Absolutely insane. This is an unarmed 16 year old girl in a classroom, not some 6 foot, 200 pound man resisting arrest by being physical. What if he damaged the kids spine? Unbelievable.
Polak, I'd like to see you stick to that opinion if that was your child getting tossed around like a doll. I bet you wouldn't tell your kid "you deserve it," you'd probably go running to the school outraged about the excessive force used on your kid. How can you justify a teenager getting her ass kicked by a cop for being pouty?
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10-28-2015, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by HarryH93
Man, I cannot believe people actually think that he was right to do what he did. Absolutely insane. This is an unarmed 16 year old girl in a classroom, not some 6 foot, 200 pound man resisting arrest by being physical. What if he damaged the kids spine? Unbelievable.
Polak, I'd like to see you stick to that opinion if that was your child getting tossed around like a doll. I bet you wouldn't tell your kid "you deserve it," you'd probably go running to the school outraged about the excessive force used on your kid. How can you justify a teenager getting her ass kicked by a cop for being pouty?
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Harry, I do not condone what the cop did, but it wasn't a case of her being "pouty". I thought she had just had a fight with another student. Again, not a defense for his actions.
I am also confused on why there was no visible administration presence. Seems like there is a teacher at the front of the classroom.
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10-28-2015, 09:32 AM
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Well he just got fired. Not sure how anyone could defend his actions in the first place, but it is certainly impossible now.
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10-28-2015, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother
Harry, I do not condone what the cop did, but it wasn't a case of her being "pouty". I thought she had just had a fight with another student. Again, not a defense for his actions.
I am also confused on why there was no visible administration presence. Seems like there is a teacher at the front of the classroom.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming she's 100% innocent. She could've done something before the video (probably did) that required her to be removed from class and taken in to the office or custody. But nonetheless, a police officer should not be injuring kids to get them to follow instructions. I highly doubt these guys are trained to grab kids by the neck like he did, then chuck her a few feet across the room. Inexcusable.
The teacher was there, I am a little surprised that he didn't try to cool the situation down a bit after seeing his student get yanked by her head and tossed. Probably scared he would be next lol
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10-28-2015, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
Well he just got fired. Not sure how anyone could defend his actions in the first place, but it is certainly impossible now.
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Wait, what? I don't care about this story one way or the other but why would it suddenly make a person's actions indefensible if they get fired for them? This changes nothing about the actions themselves... What an absurd statement.
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10-28-2015, 10:30 AM
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I clearly don't think tossing some one 12 inches off the ground on their ass is that big of a deal. I've never seen a situation where someone is non-compliant with Police go any different than this. If the fight happened on the side of the road instead of in a school, I guarantee none of this would be a big deal.
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Originally Posted by HarryH93
The teacher was there, I am a little surprised that he didn't try to cool the situation down a bit after seeing his student get yanked by her head and tossed. Probably scared he would be next lol
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You don't know that she didn't. The girl just got into a fight and was refusing to leave her desk. I'm sure this whole incident was a lot longer than that 15 second video. I doubt the cop walked in, pointed at the girl and decided to toss her around immediately.
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10-28-2015, 10:34 AM
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On a positive note, at least they're letting females go to school in South Carolina. They've come a long way!
There were way better ways to defuse the situation though. I do remember when I was in grade 6 on one of the first days a student was being a complete jerk and our teacher at the time was this older guy who was big (muscular) and he threw a desk at the kid. Teacher ended up taking a couple days off but no one really acted out in class after that.
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10-28-2015, 10:40 AM
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Way over the top handling of the situation.
Its not like the kid was armed, or in a position to threaten anymore student.
She acted like a idiot, but the cop took that up a level.
Basically this should have been solved in a verbal manner. You clear the classroom to remove the audience, but keep the teacher as a witness. You call her parents or guardians to come and get the kid and suspend or expel her.
This goes back to looking at how we train the police to deal with situations like this.
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10-28-2015, 10:55 AM
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Officer has been fired.
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10-28-2015, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
Way over the top handling of the situation.
Its not like the kid was armed, or in a position to threaten anymore student.
She acted like a idiot, but the cop took that up a level.
Basically this should have been solved in a verbal manner. You clear the classroom to remove the audience, but keep the teacher as a witness. You call her parents or guardians to come and get the kid and suspend or expel her.
This goes back to looking at how we train the police to deal with situations like this.
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fyi I don't disagree that this would have been a better way to solve it. I just don't see the outrage over some 16 year old little #### getting tossed to the ground for defying an officer, just like everyone who has defied an officer before them.
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10-28-2015, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by polak
I clearly don't think tossing some one 12 inches off the ground on their ass is that big of a deal. I've never seen a situation where someone is non-compliant with Police go any different than this. If the fight happened on the side of the road instead of in a school, I guarantee none of this would be a big deal.
You don't know that she didn't. The girl just got into a fight and was refusing to leave her desk. I'm sure this whole incident was a lot longer than that 15 second video. I doubt the cop walked in, pointed at the girl and decided to toss her around immediately.
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You keep reiterating that it was a few inches off the ground like it was no big deal. He didn't just drop her straight down, he threw her a few feet down the room. FYI, like someone posted in here, she has a cast and injuries to her neck and back. That shouldn't be taken lightly, regardless of whether something happened beforehand (which is what happened in this case). Again, if this was your younger sibling or child I'm sure you would argue it could have been handled in a better manner.
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10-28-2015, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by polak
fyi I don't disagree that this would have been a better way to solve it. I just don't see the outrage over some 16 year old little #### getting tossed to the ground for defying an officer, just like everyone who has defied an officer before them.
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I normally am the one defending cops in these types of instances, but not this time. Yes, if you are defying a cop and/or being aggressive, a cop is trained to use force to restrain you because cops always have to assume certain things, like that a suspect is a danger to bystanders. If this happened at a bar or a roadside pullover, then I think the action is warranted.
She was just a defiant little brat sitting in her school desk and not being a threat to anyone. The cop should have taken that into account when deciding what to do next. A few more minutes of explanations of the consequences of her actions would have probably done the trick. Unless she uttered a threat or told them she had a gun she was going to use, the force used was excessive.
Again we obviously never know the full story and media can be spin doctors, but in this instance I think the cop was wrong based on our limited knowledge.
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10-28-2015, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Wait, what? I don't care about this story one way or the other but why would it suddenly make a person's actions indefensible if they get fired for them? This changes nothing about the actions themselves... What an absurd statement.
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The findings of the investigation around the incident don't play a role in deciding whether he was justified?
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10-28-2015, 12:10 PM
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How a cop deals with some drunk surly 20 odd year old guy getting rowdy on a Friday night is supposed to be different from how they deal with a child no matter how crappy that child's behaviour is, so arguing that this is just what you get if you don't obey a cop is inane. At what point is a cop not allowed to toss a kid to the floor, 5 or 6? What about an 80 year old with Alziehmers or a pregnant woman? All fair game?
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10-28-2015, 12:10 PM
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Right or wrong, by firing the officer immediately the police force prevents a PR nightmare, and possibly also prevents a riot.
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10-28-2015, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ken0042
Right or wrong, by firing the officer immediately the police force prevents a PR nightmare, and possibly also prevents a riot.
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I wonder if they circumvented a review process.
Usually, it is a suspension, then review, and consequence.
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10-28-2015, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by HotHotHeat
The findings of the investigation around the incident don't play a role in deciding whether he was justified?
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If the investigation would have found him innocent of any wrong doing would you change your mind and say he was justified?
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