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		|  10-25-2004, 05:20 PM | #2 |  
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			Isn't this like the pot calling the kettle black?   
I'm pretty sure that both Bush and Kerry have both lied.
 
In fact, I am pretty sure that you have lied.
 
I have.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:25 PM | #4 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 05:53 PM And this is who you want as President?
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 when i look at the alternative, you bet your balls i do.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:33 PM | #5 |  
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			The point is Kerry called Bush a lier while he was lying himself.  Like i said before Kerry would do anything to become President even lie.
 And Lanny those are all radical left wing sites, and i could come up with equally more against Kerry.  And i was talking about Kerry's most recent lie not his whole history of lying, so keep Bush out of this, i never mentioned him.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:37 PM | #6 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 05:33 PM The point is Kerry called Bush a lier while he was lying himself.  Like i said before Kerry would do anything to become President even lie.
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 Oh no! NOT LIE! I mean, again, so would anyone on this forum to become president?
 
BTW, All politicians lie, it's a fact, live with it.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:38 PM | #7 |  
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			NEWS FLASH!!!!!
 Politicians lie.
 
 In other news, the Sun came up today and is expected to do the same tomorrow.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:43 PM | #8 |  
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			And again my point is that Kerry lied here, just like he lied about the atrocities in Vietnam and how he lied about his record, and how he lied in order to obtain his medals.  If he never why doesn't he release them to the public?
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:57 PM | #9 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 06:43 PM he lied about the atrocities in Vietnam.
 he lied in order to obtain his medals.
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 proof please.
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		|  10-25-2004, 05:59 PM | #10 |  
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			How many times do i have to post it?
 Watch Stolen Honor.
 
 There is a Medal of Honor recpiant there and i would believe what he says any day over what Kerry said.  You don't just get the Medal of Honor.
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		|  10-25-2004, 06:06 PM | #11 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 05:59 PM How many times do i have to post it?
 
 Watch Stolen Honor.
 
 There is a Medal of Honor recpiant there and i would believe what he says any day over what Kerry said.  You don't just get the Medal of Honor.
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 Wow, that sounds like air tight proof to me...    
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		|  10-25-2004, 06:08 PM | #12 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 06:59 PM How many times do i have to post it?
 
 Watch Stolen Honor.
 
 There is a Medal of Honor recpiant there and i would believe what he says any day over what Kerry said.  You don't just get the Medal of Honor.
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 but i guess purple hearts are pieces of garbage?
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		|  10-25-2004, 06:12 PM | #13 |  
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			"Watch Fahrenheit 9/11 and you'll see Bush is a con man and a liar"! 
How do you like that logic, sjwalter?  Presenting an obviously biased "documentary" as evidence of anything is pretty silly, don't you think?
 
Saying "this guy has a medal of honor, it must be true" doesn't wash either.  What about these people? 
http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=34048 
Are they all liars and morons?  Are they not to be trusted?
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		|  10-25-2004, 06:30 PM | #14 |  
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 This article was written by Joel Mowbray, a hard-core consevative columnist whose opinion and articles are about as reliable as Michael Moore's most outlandish claims.
Here's a column  where he says that people who use the term "neocon" are anti-semites. 
"Technically, the former head of the Central Command in the Middle East didn’t say 'Jews.'  He instead used a term that has become a new favorite for anti-Semites: 'neoconservatives.'  As the name implies, 'neoconservative' was originally meant to denote someone who is a newcomer to the right.  In the 90’s, many people self-identified themselves as “neocons,” but today that term has become synonymous with 'Jews.'" 
Nice source you have there sjwalter
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		|  10-25-2004, 07:06 PM | #15 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 25 2004, 11:59 PM How many times do i have to post it?
 
 Watch Stolen Honor.
 
 There is a Medal of Honor recpiant there and i would believe what he says any day over what Kerry said.  You don't just get the Medal of Honor.
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 I've watched it and its the biggest load of bullsh*t I've ever seen.  Its interviews with a bunch of pilots that were captured and spent the war in POW camps, and they are commenting on what was going on in the ground war.  Its hilarious that these guys were dropping ordinance and dog fighting, but had the time to watch what was going on in the field, from several thousdand fett in the air and at 700 miles per hour.  Sure they did.  And its not like they could talk about it in prison.  They were supposedly forced into silence and could not communicate, so how did they know WHAT was going on.  The pilots whined and complained about how they were wronged by Kerry, but not one of these "brave soldiers" bothered to say a single word to the group that visited Hanoi (with Jane Fonda) about their treatment.  And they did not provide a single piece of evidence to support any of what they said, other than the word of those that were in the Hanoi Hilton.  How can they hammer Kerry for hurting them when they wouldn't even help themselves or provide a single shred of evidence that disproved what Kerry was saying?  The whole thing was a joke and to believe it you had to take several leaps of faith and take every word these guys said as gospel.  Journalism it was not, and was not even a good attempt at slander.  It was weak all around and oonly the weak minded would not have seen through the obvious politics it was promoting.  Oh, and you also don't just get three purple hearts, a brinze and silver star as well.
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			I hate that argument. Where do you draw the line between anti-semitisim and logical and fair criticism? GAh!!! Ironically no one complains or bats an eye within those same  'neo-con ranks' when arab-AMERICANS (and others) are arbitrarly arrested and held without trials, when camps are set-up to hold these peopel illegally, or when the war on terror has been reduced to essentially a war on all forms of islam that do not conform to American standards. 
 
 
 haha (in a bad way) ... sorry... off topic...
 
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		|  10-25-2004, 07:34 PM | #17 |  
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			Bush doesn't lie sj, didn't anyone tell you?  Cheney tells that loser everything to say.       
Yawn...
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		|  10-25-2004, 07:44 PM | #18 |  
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		| Originally posted by Flame On@Oct 25 2004, 06:34 PM Bush doesn't lie sj, didn't anyone tell you?  Cheney tells that loser everything to say.
   
 Yawn...
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 Tough Words you have there Flameon.  You call every President a loser when you don't agree with them, just like you make fun of the postal service.
 
And Lanny its not a load of BS, its the difference between right and wrong.  And the group that visited Hanoi were there to what.....aid the enemy, Jane Fonda said so herself and apologized for it.  If she apologized then she admitted to do something wrong, and if she did something wrong then Kerry did as well because he was in the same boat as her.
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		|  10-25-2004, 07:50 PM | #19 |  
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		| Originally posted by sjwalter@Oct 26 2004, 01:44 AM And Lanny its not a load of BS, its the difference between right and wrong.  And the group that visited Hanoi were there to what.....aid the enemy, Jane Fonda said so herself and apologized for it.  If she apologized then she admitted to do something wrong, and if she did something wrong then Kerry did as well because he was in the same boat as her.
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 Prove it.  Prove that Fonda and VVAW was there to "aid the enemy".  Prove it.
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		|  10-25-2004, 10:02 PM | #20 |  
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			Who is this sjwalter character?
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