Al_jazeera showing video of OBL/Al-Queda planning 9/11

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Looger

wow.

what a train wreck.

do you have something to add to this discussion?

do ANY of your posts in this thread have anything to do with the discussion at hand?

Nope. Just for my own amusement.

[Frank the Tank]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

There. I will add something to the thread, because you are right, i haven't contributed much except to annoy you. I apologize.

And Looger, so you know, I have read almost everything you have posted about 9/11. Almost all the articles. Not much of those video clips you posted, but most articles.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

Queue the half fact article supposedly debunking the PM articel in 3......2......1

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html

There. I will add something to the thread, because you are right, i haven't contributed much except to annoy you. I apologize.

And Looger, so you know, I have read almost everything you have posted about 9/11. Almost all the articles. Not much of those video clips you posted, but most articles.

the scholars for 9/11 truth http://www.st911.org/ has a link on the left of the page, down a bit, as a response to this article... but it should be noted that popular mechanics CHOSE which claims to attack.

EDIT: the 'pros' of the 9/11 truth movement DO NOT focus on pods etc. - that's a second-tier issue.

every hit piece is logged on st911.org, and they take it all on.

i'd expend more effort but as you just dropped a link, so did i.

for a lark check out 'terrorstorm' in my signature, it's an interesting documentary aboot state-sponsored terror in recent history, focusing mostly on the london 7/7 bombings.

[Frank the Tank]

Haha. First link I clicked on at 911 truth was a BYU prof being put on paid leave for his involvement. Kinda made me chuckle.

I'll check it all out, as always.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by ken0042

Queue the half fact article supposedly debunking the PM articel in 3......2......1

At least some people have clued into this fact. The Popular Mechanics piece was not well done and used as much junk science and misdirection that many of the "conspiracy theorists" have done. This publication is entertaining, but hardly one to use to support an argument. Now excuse me, I have to strap on my jet pack and fly to the astro-port to catch my flight to the moon*. I have a 10:15 tee time.

* all PM predictions from the past.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

Haha. First link I clicked on at 911 truth was a BYU prof being put on paid leave for his involvement. Kinda made me chuckle.

Uh huh. What is your point? I'd say that speaks to the man's conviction does it not? It also points to the powers that be trying to silence a critic. Oh wait, this is America, and that stuff doesn't happen.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Uh huh. What is your point? I'd say that speaks to the man's conviction does it not? It also points to the powers that be trying to silence a critic. Oh wait, this is America, and that stuff doesn't happen.

No point. Just thought it was funny that I don't beleive this stuff and the first random link I click on is a prof getting excused. MOD EDIT: Sorry, I thought the crazy comment was directed at Looger not the prof. My mistake.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Frank the Tank

And maybe it speaks more about his mental instability than anything? Just a theory.

Yeah, I figured you'd say that. Anyone who doesn't swallow the accepted line is "mentally instable"? Wow. I guess all of those people throughout history that had the balls to stand up to the accepted norm we "mentally instable"? Where would we be without the "nutbars"? Fighting for survival on the plains of the Serengeti.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Actually, roughly 45 percent of Americans believe that the US government "concealed or refused to investigate critical evidence that contradicts the official explanation of the attacks."

http://www.911truth.org/images/911Tr...inalReport.htm

The poll was sponsored by 911truth.org...hardly a credibile source.

[Moderator]

Alright, this is the last warning. If the topic can't be discussed without the backhanded insults and such it'll be closed.

[Frank the Tank]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Yeah, I figured you'd say that. Anyone who doesn't swallow the accepted line is "mentally instable"? Wow. I guess all of those people throughout history that had the balls to stand up to the accepted norm we "mentally instable"? Where would we be without the "nutbars"? Fighting for survival on the plains of the Serengeti.

How was saying the prof may have been mentally unstable a backhanded insult? Riduculous. I never said Lanny was unstable, just the prof from the article. Ridiculous.

[worth]

The PM article was also written by Benjamin Chertoff, cousin to Michael Chertoff who is director of Homeland Security. Essentialy, if you're looking for an unbiased historical look of 9/11 and it's theories, you won't find that in the PM article.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The poll was sponsored by 911truth.org...hardly a credibile source.

http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

is zogby a credible source?

these numbers are a couple of years old.

also, as to the 911truth.org zogby:

http://www.zogby.com/features/features.dbm?ID=231

Zogby International recently conducted a survey of Americans to gauge their thinking about the September 11, 2001 terror attacks in New York and Washington, asking a series of questions that were balanced and fair. At all times, Zogby International had the final say on the wording of the questions in the poll, which was also approved by the group which sponsored the poll, 911truth.org. Also in that news release, members of the sponsoring group offer their own opinions of the meaning of the poll results. Zogby International had no role in interpreting the survey results for the sponsor or in producing the news release. Zogby International is an independent polling company and does not advocate for a particular point of view on behalf of its clients.
...

US government and 9/11 Commission are NOT covering up

48%

US government and 9/11 Commission are covering up

42

Not sure

10

...

I am not aware of World Trade Center Building 7's collapse

43%

I am aware of it and think the Commission should have investigated it

38

I am aware of it and think the Commission was right to investigate just the Twin Towers' collapse

14

Neither/Not sure

5

[worth]

43% not aware of building 7 collapse is a pretty big number. interesting indeed.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by worth

The PM article was also written by Benjamin Chertoff, cousin to Michael Chertoff who is director of Homeland Security. Essentialy, if you're looking for an unbiased historical look of 9/11 and it's theories, you won't find that in the PM article.

a representative from PM denied the relation in an interview on Deadline Live with Jack Blood, www.jackblood.com so i'm skeptical of this claim myself.

I believe that in the book released by PM:

http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-M...e=UTF8&s=books

that they address this very issue in an afterword, according to the representative.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by Looger

half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act,"

So, I'm curious about something. Is it your belief that terrorists were indeed involved in the attacks- and that the gov't failed to act? Or do you believe it was the gov't who set the entire thing in motion?

And, I realize my post could be taken as being mean spirited; however that isn't the case. I'm just curious as to where you stand.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Looger

is zogby a credible source?

Well as I said the biggest red flag is that the poll was sponsored by the 911truth.org. I'd like to see a copy of the survey itself to truly assess if it was valid.

As for zogby, not sure if they are credibile or not but this on their site is a red flag:

"We poll only likely voters who are different from just all adults. In addition, we poll all day long - 9am to 9pm local time (to the region we're calling). Finally, we apply weighting for party identification to ensure that there is no built-in Democratic bias in our sampling."

Not even sure what that means. But the fact they are only concerned about a built-in Democratic bias, and not a built in Republican bias suggests to me that they do have their political leanings and agenda.

[transplant99]

Article i stumbled across today about conspiracy theories...pretty balanced look at things. And at a mainstream media site to boot.

"To me, the report read as a cartoon." White-haired and courtly, Griffin sits on a couch in a hotel lobby in Manhattan, unspooling words in that reasonable Presbyterian minister's voice. "It's a much greater stretch to accept the official conspiracy story than to consider the alternatives."

Thomas Eager, a professor of materials science at MIT, has studied the collapse of the twin towers. "At first, I thought it was amazing that the buildings would come down in their own footprints," Eager says. "Then I realized that it wasn't that amazing -- it's the only way a building that weighs a million tons and is 95 percent air can come down."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14723997/

[Looger]

Originally Posted by ken0042

So, I'm curious about something. Is it your belief that terrorists were indeed involved in the attacks- and that the gov't failed to act? Or do you believe it was the gov't who set the entire thing in motion?

And, I realize my post could be taken as being mean spirited; however that isn't the case. I'm just curious as to where you stand.

i believe that criminal elements of the government, with moles at many stations, staged this terror attack.

this belief is known as 'MIHOP', made-it-happen-on-purpose.

'LIHOP' - is let-it-happen-on-purpose.

a good 'mihop' resource site is www.911essentials.com

i believe that what webster g. tarpley writes aboot is close to the truth:

http://www.amazon.com/9-11-Synthetic...e=UTF8&s=books

interesting book.

he theorizes that the hijackers were defence establishment assets, used to stage training ops etc. under 'Able Danger'.

tarpley's talks:

http://video.google.ca/videosearch?q=Webster+Tarpley

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...ebster+Tarpley
speech from awhile ago, detailing use of exercises, private intel networks

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...ebster+Tarpley
tarpley's detailed presentation at the 9/11 american scholars symposium

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...ebster+Tarpley
C-SPAN broadcast panel discussion including tarpley