Brad Treliving so far: an overview

[Vinny01]

I agree with EE. It is hard to judge the Raymond and Engellend deals as the flames looked to be 3 years out at the time. He added a tough character guy in Engellend and replaced Cammalleri with Raymond for half the price (and half the production).

I am a fan of Treliving. Sounds like he is a tireless worker who is very much on top of the league. His first year there was rumors we were going to acquire the 7th pick to take on Ward and the 11th pick to take on Ribero which would have netted the Flames 2 great prospects and both of those veterans would likely have helped the team.

Stealing Dougie was still a fantastic trade in my opinion. I feel this kid will turn things around at some point this year.

Also the Flames were tied to Kessel, Stamkos, Talbot and basically any player that is on the trade market. Trelivingnis always trying to make the team better. You hear Conroy talk about how Feaster let others come to him but Brad's approach is much better and he has already proven to be a much better trader than his predecessor

[mile]

With Treliving it's not so much the moves that I'm looking at, but more important to me is what he is saying as to where he views the team is at.

Every time I read or hear an interview from him, I hear someone who is very realistic with his assessments of the team - and always emphasizes the long-term goal. That is way more important to me than the questionable signings he has made, especially since the signings have had minimal damage in the big picture.

Right now I'm very comfortable with Treliving running the team.

[Strange Brew]

Hey at least Sven's not exactly tearing it up. No goals, two assists so far.

Looking forward to seeing if Treliving can trade someone off the roster. All the moves so far have been giving up draft picks/prospects or dumping players at the deadline (Glencross). Curious to see what he can get for 1 or 2 regulars off the roster. It's getting to the point where quite a few are on contracts that he has signed. That will be another indicator of how good a GM he is.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by mile

With Treliving it's not so much the moves that I'm looking at, but more important to me is what he is saying as to where he views the team is at.

Every time I read or hear an interview from him, I hear someone who is very realistic with his assessments of the team - and always emphasizes the long-term goal. That is way more important to me than the questionable signings he has made, especially since the signings have had minimal damage in the big picture.

Right now I'm very comfortable with Treliving running the team.

More so, THIS! Perfectly put.

There is no "I will not be a GM for a rebuild" or "best player not the NHL" or Sven has a NHL spot to lose... or any of that. Its the opposite of the previous regime, which I personally find more comforting, realistic and professional.

The deals... we'll see. Obviously Raymond is turning out to be a dud. Others, I think they have their pieces in the grand scheme of things thats not just on the ice.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think he will have 3 opportunities coming up,

Dumping an important player at the deadline.
Trading for a Big Player at the draft.
Or signing one of the top free agents in July.

I'm not going to say what is right for the team because I don't know what is available, and I am not advocating making moves for the sake of moves, but we have allot of NHL centers, we are vary thin on D, and we have allot cap space, there has to be something that can make the team better for a sustained period of time.

When the Thread started I said Treliving needed to do this to show me he was taking the Flames in the Direction I wanted them to go.

Dumped Glencorss at the deadline, I'll give that a B. He really couldn't afford to erode the team any more than that, but I'm glad he did something to maintain the direction the franchise was going. the return I'm going to give an A+.

Biggest splash at the draft in terms trade. I'll give it an A. Even with Hamilton showing he needs to learn allot slam dunk of a trade.

The Big Free Agent. Frolik, I'll go with a C+. I think it's a passing grade, but nothing special.

IMO he is about a B+ overall on the big things that really needed to be done. I really support what Treliving is trying to do, we basically got exactly what I asked for last January.


This year I think the real opportunities to show he is the GM for us will come early.

Creating space for young players to succeed (among others I would really like to Bennett, Poirier, Arnold, and Ortio get some confidence at the NHL level).

Getting reasonable contracts out of Elite RFAs (names not required)

and once again showing he can be a smart seller at the deadline.

[troutman]

Isn't paying Hamilton for his "potential" the same thing we have been laughing at the Oilers for doing?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by troutman

Isn't paying Hamilton for his "potential" the same thing we have been laughing at the Oilers for doing?

The only way the Flames sign Dougie is a contract like the one they handed out. He played like a $5.75M Dman last year by all accounts. You either keep the picks or make the trade for the 22 year old and sign him to a contract he is looking for. It is more difficult than keeping your own drafted and developed player

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by troutman

Isn't paying Hamilton for his "potential" the same thing we have been laughing at the Oilers for doing?

I think they paid him partially for potentially based on the fact he's young. But he did score 42 points last year as a 21 year old so that right there puts you among the top d-man scorers. Naturally you assume he'll become an even better player since he's so young.

It's not like he played a handful of games in the NHL and they gave him a 7 year deal a la Kelfbom

[Flamesforver11]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think they paid him partially for potentially based on the fact he's young. But he did score 42 points last year as a 21 year old so that right there puts you among the top d-man scorers. Naturally you assume he'll become an even better player since he's so young.

It's not like he played a handful of games in the NHL and they gave him a 7 year deal a la Kelfbom

Klefbom was signed for 1.5 mil less and has outplayed Hamilton thus far this season. It is the exact situation of paying for potential

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Flamesforver11

Klefbom was signed for 1.5 mil less and has outplayed Hamilton thus far this season. It is the exact situation of paying for potential

You almost baited me until I saw your username. Nice try.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Flamesforver11

Klefbom was signed for 1.5 mil less and has outplayed Hamilton thus far this season. It is the exact situation of paying for potential

Troll.

[BigT112]

I think Treliving will go down as one of the best GMs in franchise history (shouldn't be hard when looking at the competition) and I think he's done a great job so far. There have been some bumps in the road, but no one is perfect. I think he's already done a better job than the previous two GMs. No crazy panic trades that plagued the end of the Sutter era or the weird buzz word talk of the Feaster era (post-apex comes to mind).

I love the way Treliving talks with the media. He sounds honest and takes the time to talk with the media on a regular basis which I really appreciate. His interviews on the Fan are always great listening.

[CliffFletcher]

I don't have a problem with the Hamilton trade or the contract. However, I do think it's legitimate to have concerns about his play. Yes, he's 22. But he has been in the NHL for three seasons. Playing in his own end shouldn't be an absolute gong show. And I don't care how new you are to a system, you can still lay on the body and play with a bit of edge. This 'new system' meme that has recently appeared on this forum is just a way to dismiss those concerns.

Hamilton won't be this bad forever. But he probably won't be as good as a lot of people thought he would be when the trade went down, either.

[Weitz]

Wasn't the knock on Hamilton exactly the issues that are being seen here?

Will his lack of physicality translate to the west conference? If he isn't able to rely on Chara how will he perform? Etc..

[ricardodw]

why did Hamilton want out of Boston?

Too much winning?

Too much Power play time?

Too big of a future role?

Too much veteran leadership on the team.


From the outside the only thing bad that ever happened to Hamilton in Boston was sitting him in their 2012-13 run to the Stanley Cup when he was a 19 year old rookie.

When things look too good to be true (the Hamilton trade and signing) chances are that they are not true.


Imagine the character assassination that would be called in by CP if Monahan and/or Gaudreau were offered the same deal as Boston supposedly offered Hamilton and they decided that they were not signing and wanted to play elsewhere on the same deal the Flames offered.

[saillias]

I don't mind his physical play or lack thereof. It's horrendous decision making, his coverage, basic defense stuff you send a prospect back to junior to get better at. I'm frankly shocked at how amateur some of his pinches have been, but hopefully that can be coached out of him.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I don't have a problem with the Hamilton trade or the contract. However, I do think it's legitimate to have concerns about his play. Yes, he's 22. But he has been in the NHL for three seasons. Playing in his own end shouldn't be an absolute gong show. And I don't care how new you are to a system, you can still lay on the body and play with a bit of edge. This 'new system' meme that has recently appeared on this forum is just a way to dismiss those concerns.

Hamilton won't be this bad forever. But he probably won't be as good as a lot of people thought he would be when the trade went down, either.

That really does remain to be seen, and will not be known for a very long time yet.

For me at least it has not been just a "new systems meme" even though that is how it is often interpreted. It is the fact that he is barely an adult, having had to uproot and move to a new city and go to work for a new organization where he quite possibly doesn't know anyone. Does he have any family or close friends in town? I think he quite likely does not. He seems like a pretty shy kid, and maybe even a bit awkward. How does his own underlying personality affect the move he has just made?

There are certainly young men his same age who can and do make these sorts of life-altering adjustments without missing a stride, but it is foolish to expect every kid to respond the same way. I am calling for some latitude and patience because none of us has any idea how the whole set of new circumstances has affected him: this has quite likely been the most significant event of his young life, and I don't doubt for a moment if it has taken a toll.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

why did Hamilton want out of Boston?

Too much winning?

Too much Power play time?

Too big of a future role?

Too much veteran leadership on the team.

Maybe you should ask him? He didn't come out and say he wanted out. Sweeney offered him a contract, and he didn't sign it. It's that simple.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by mile

With Treliving it's not so much the moves that I'm looking at, but more important to me is what he is saying as to where he views the team is at.

I'm the exact opposite. Give me loads of Feaster's spin along with one Gaudreau over all of Treliving's straight talk about Bollig, Engellend, Raymond and Hiller.

I am genuinely impressed every time I hear Treliving speak, but it's getting to the point that I'd like to see at least one move pay off on the ice.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

why did Hamilton want out of Boston?

Even if it was that Boston thought he wasn't worth the money and didn't want to give him the contract it doesn' t mean he's a bad player.

Same team happened to trade Seguin for a lot of same reasons/rumors around the time the deals went down.