2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[heep223]

Originally Posted by adc

Couldn't the Hawks say the same thing?

Smid is likely to be in the PB when Brodie returns. Bickel offers the Flames the size they need.

I would doubt/hope that Bickel would not be the 13th forward. For me he would definitely play ahead of Bollig, Raymond, Ferland, Jooris if everyone is healthy.

Dude they need top 6 forwards...not another plug.

[Toonage]

If we want grit, call up Hathaway. No need to take on Bickell's contract. If we deal a defenceman, deal for a prospect or pick, and use that cap space for the contracts we need to extend.

[adc]

Originally Posted by heep223

Dude they need top 6 forwards...not another plug.

Sure but we aren't getting top 6 forwards for Ladislav Smid.

And since when is Bickel a plug? He is overpaid but he is far from a plug.

I don't think making this moves means that Treliving would be done dealing.

Originally Posted by Yoho

Bollig, and Raymond for sure but that still puts him around 13 spot.

If totally healthy I would want to see something like:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Bouma-Backlund-Jooris
Bickell-Stajan-Jones
Bollig-Ferland

Unlikely that everyone is healthy so Ferland steps in when he is back to being healthy and Bolling/Raymond can fill in if guys need a seat in the PB for a game or two.

Bickell can move into Colbornes spot if he is struggling or hurts his hand again. I think he allows the team to rely less on Ferland for offense and use him in the spots they feel will best develop him.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by adc

Sure but we aren't getting top 6 forwards for Ladislav Smid.

And since when is Bickel a plug? He is overpaid but he is far from a plug.

I don't think making this moves means that Treliving would be done dealing.

I'd take Bickell in such a scenario, if the Hawks added a 3rd or 4th. Bollig would have to leave somehow though, we don't need both of them.

[Vinny01]

http://m.thn.com/blog/rumor-roundup-...ade-winds-blow

Not much new that we haven't already heard but flames trade talk none the less

[genetic_phreek]

Originally Posted by adc

Sure but we aren't getting top 6 forwards for Ladislav Smid.

And since when is Bickel a plug? He is overpaid but he is far from a plug.

I don't think making this moves means that Treliving would be done dealing.



If totally healthy I would want to see something like:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Bouma-Backlund-Jooris
Bickell-Stajan-Jones
Bollig-Ferland

Unlikely that everyone is healthy so Ferland steps in when he is back to being healthy and Bolling/Raymond can fill in if guys need a seat in the PB for a game or two.

Bickell can move into Colbornes spot if he is struggling or hurts his hand again. I think he allows the team to rely less on Ferland for offense and use him in the spots they feel will best develop him.

No thanks. Why get Bickell when we could bring up a Poirier, Austin Caroll, Hathaway, or any other guy in our system with size.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by adc

Sure but we aren't getting top 6 forwards for Ladislav Smid.

And since when is Bickel a plug? He is overpaid but he is far from a plug.

I don't think making this moves means that Treliving would be done dealing.



If totally healthy I would want to see something like:

Gaudreau-Monahan-Hudler
Colborne-Bennett-Frolik
Bouma-Backlund-Jooris
Bickell-Stajan-Jones
Bollig-Ferland

Unlikely that everyone is healthy so Ferland steps in when he is back to being healthy and Bolling/Raymond can fill in if guys need a seat in the PB for a game or two.

Bickell can move into Colbornes spot if he is struggling or hurts his hand again. I think he allows the team to rely less on Ferland for offense and use him in the spots they feel will best develop him.

Just to clarify:

You want to see 11.625 million on the fourth line, and 4.2 million in the press box at forward, the most replacable depth position?

We could literally call up Turner Elson, Garnet Hathaway, Derek Grant (I know, he's already called up), Kenny Agostino, and Bill Arnold to fill those five spots and barely miss a beat.

[adc]

Originally Posted by genetic_phreek

No thanks. Why get Bickell when we could bring up a Poirier, Austin Caroll, Hathaway, or any other guy in our system with size.

Because none of those option have the experience or scoring history of Bickell. I don't just want a guy with size but a guy that can play at the NHL level and hopefully chip in with goals as well.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Just to clarify:

You want to see 11.625 million on the fourth line, and 4.2 million in the press box at forward, the most replacable depth position?

We could literally call up Turner Elson, Garnet Hathaway, Derek Grant (I know, he's already called up), Kenny Agostino, and Bill Arnold to fill those five spots and barely miss a beat.

I don't want to see that I would love to see guys moved but adding Bickell for Smid does nothing to change the salary situation we are in so not sure why that comes up in talking about whether to add him.

And again Bickell is a much better player than any of the guys you mentioned, Elson/Hathaway/Agostino still have a ton to prove that they even can play at the NHL level.

[Vinny01]

Thinking about it there is no need to make that Bickell trade unless the Hawks are sending a second or high end prospect. Dmen are a hot commodity and why trade Smid or Engellend to add cap to the team?

[sureLoss]

Michel Goulet scouting Hawks vs Ducks for the Flames tonight. FWIW (not much because apparently lots of scouts are taking in the only game in the Western conference)

[Strange Brew]

Just say no to Bickell. Our 4th line is already way overpaid and not exactly outplaying the competition. We need less money in these slots, not more.

[sureLoss]

Adrian Dater @adater
Flames calling around NHL trying to unload Dennis Wideman. But two years, $11 million left on contract makes him tough to move at 32

[Vinny01]

Blow this team up and get picks/prospects for non core players and get the high pick. This season is done. Ugh

[rehsifylf]

At best the flames would finish middle of the pack. Again. Without a great goalie in this league you will never win. It's like a great bullpen in baseball (Toronto knows that now). Flames have a 'has been' and a 'not yet' in net. I'd let Ortio play almost every game. I don't think he is it, but we'll see. Hiller will not take anyone anywhere. The lower they finish the better at this point. Season tickets wasted yet again. They are a superstar goalie and a number one pick away from having a chance to compete.

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[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Thinking about it there is no need to make that Bickell trade unless the Hawks are sending a second or high end prospect. Dmen are a hot commodity and why trade Smid or Engellend to add cap to the team?

Trade Smid or Engelland to make room for the young d. If Kulak/Nakladal/Wotherspoon are ready, make room for them, especially if you get a pick/prospect back. Keep Smid and you get nothing. Move Smid for Bickell and you can a piece that will help going forward.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Thinking about it there is no need to make that Bickell trade unless the Hawks are sending a second or high end prospect. Dmen are a hot commodity and why trade Smid or Engellend to add cap to the team?

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Just say no to Bickell. Our 4th line is already way overpaid and not exactly outplaying the competition. We need less money in these slots, not more.

We need a fourth line that can outplay the competition, regardless of cost. An upgrade is an upgrade. Bickell comes in and boots Bollig to the press box. Is that an upgrade? Probably. Is it worth an extra 500k? If an additional asset comes our way, id say yes.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Adrian Dater @adater
Flames calling around NHL trying to unload Dennis Wideman. But two years, $11 million left on contract makes him tough to move at 32

If we can't move Wideman in this environment with teams desperate for d, we can't move him period. If he's untradeable, keep him with gio as they seem to work together and focus on moving Russell. Can't keep both.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

If we can't move Wideman in this environment with teams desperate for d, we can't move him period. If he's untradeable, keep him with gio as they seem to work together and focus on moving Russell. Can't keep both.

Also Brodie is back soon and Nakladal is knocking at the door so we can spare a D man anyways as long as it fills the greater need of finding some high end forward talent. It comes down to what Russell is going to command, if its north of what flames are willing to spend then you have to get a return on him. Sounds like hes the only D man with value that flames may be willing shop out.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I would absolutely hate a Bickell for Engelland deal.

Depth defencemen are so much more valuable than depth forwards. We have already seen Engelland playing top 4 minutes in the playoffs and not hurt this team. That is exactly what you want in a depth D. Injuries will always happen. Plus, Engelland is a pretty tough fighter, and apparently a huge leader in the dressing room. Overpaid? Yep. No argument from me. However, I would much rather overpay an Engelland than a Bickell.

[Conroy4Mayor]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I would absolutely hate a Bickell for Engelland deal.

Depth defencemen are so much more valuable than depth forwards. We have already seen Engelland playing top 4 minutes in the playoffs and not hurt this team. That is exactly what you want in a depth D. Injuries will always happen. Plus, Engelland is a pretty tough fighter, and apparently a huge leader in the dressing room. Overpaid? Yep. No argument from me. However, I would much rather overpay an Engelland than a Bickell.

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