So police should be allowed to walk onto people's properly and do whatever they want? I'm not here to lecture you about private property but you might want to care a bit...
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This isn't The Simpsons, you can't just sic the hounds on people. Responsible dog owners all over the world know this. Would you be okay if some pitbull mauled a Girl Scout trying to sell cookies if it was on private property? Of course not.
But police are trained and must be held to a higher standard then a 5 year old girl.
And although I would say it would be horrible to happen, if a girl scout comes on someones private property and got attacked, it could actually be her fault. This is why people shouldn't just stroll into other people's yard.
As a bit of 'Faith in Humanity restored', here's some Calgary officers dealing with an owner and his biting dog.
For some reason the dog nipping the office legs made me laugh, the dog clearly has no idea what it suppose to do and the guy keep yelling I'll have my dog get you.
So police should be allowed to walk onto people's properly and do whatever they want? I'm not here to lecture you about private property but you might want to care a bit...
Who said anything about him doing whatever they want?
Are we seriously at the point that if someone comes onto your property to tell you your car door is open in broad daylight that it is cool if a dog attacks them? It is then their fault for coming to help you out?
So police should be allowed to walk onto people's properly and do whatever they want? I'm not here to lecture you about private property but you might want to care a bit...
This isn't a private property issue in the slightest. Whether it was a mailman delivering a package, a Girl Scout trying to sell cookies, a Jehovah's witness trying to convert or a police officer trying to notify the occupant that their door was unlocked, the occupants had a duty to restrain their dog in this case.
Believe me when I say I'm all about personal freedoms, but this isn't a story about some officer illegally trying to detain an occupant without a warrant or reason. It's a story about a "should have been good Samaritan" trying to warn the ladies their door was unlocked. Trying to equate the two is nonsense. Regardless of the actions of the officer once the dog was released (which I have no issue with people arguing was excessive), no one should be arguing he shouldn't have been there. It's nothing but bias cop hate if they are.
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And although I would say it would be horrible to happen, if a girl scout comes on someones private property and got attacked, it could actually be her fault. This is why people shouldn't just stroll into other people's yard.
Again, not in the situation we are discussing.
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Earlier in January of this year right before Eric Holder stepped down he made some changes to this policy. I suspect Legalization in a cfew states showed how silly and unnecessary the current definition of the laws were.
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I felt sorry for the dog he saw his owner in distress and just wanted to protect him. 100% the owners fault though he doesn't deserve a nice dog like that, at least from what I saw there could be more to it.
I felt sorry for the dog he saw his owner in distress and just wanted to protect him. 100% the owners fault though he doesn't deserve a nice dog like that, at least from what I saw there could be more to it.
He's talking about the Calgary video in my earlier post.
EDIT: Maybe? In the Calgary video, I'm pretty sure the owner is the man being detained. The dog was a pretty nice dog, instead of nibbling he could have torn off a chunk of flesh but was just kind of playing around. Fortunately the cops didn't take down the dog, but they were playing with fire a bit.
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He's talking about the Calgary video in my earlier post.
EDIT: Maybe? In the Calgary video, I'm pretty sure the owner is the man being detained. The dog was a pretty nice dog, instead of nibbling he could have torn off a chunk of flesh but was just kind of playing around. Fortunately the cops didn't take down the dog, but they were playing with fire a bit.
Ah I see. I thought you two were talkinging about the article Mattyc posted on page 15.
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So police should be allowed to walk onto people's properly and do whatever they want? I'm not here to lecture you about private property but you might want to care a bit...
But police are trained and must be held to a higher standard then a 5 year old girl.
And although I would say it would be horrible to happen, if a girl scout comes on someones private property and got attacked, it could actually be her fault. This is why people shouldn't just stroll into other people's yard.
So if police or anyone for that matter can't go on private property to knock on the door what are they suppose to do? Stand on the side walk and scream until someone notices them?
Kind of surprised this doesn't have it's own thread-
suspect wanted in murder of pregnant Calgary woman caught while with 4 others carjacking people on the QE2. This Isaiah Rider guy seems like quite the piece of work.
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Regarding the American cop, the telling thing for me is that he had his hand on his gun before the dog came through the door. He was getting ready to shoot prior to the dog "attacking him." (Assuming the dog was attacking.)
Then once again, assuming the cop was under attack, was pulling out a gun to shoot the first course of action? And was the proper penalty for the dog attack to be shot dead? Even if this dog had a history, and a judge ordered it to be destroyed, the family would have had a chance to say goodbye.
I never let my wife or kids open the door for unknown visitors and I don't care if it's weird. Anyone is allowed to come on your property and you aren't allowed to harm them. If you ask them to leave and they don't then they are trespassing. You still can't harm them though. The laws in the US vary by state, some aren't like what I described above. If a cop comes to the door I step outside to talk to them. It's a dumb move to let them inside. And yeah I don't like the way I act in these scenarios but it is the safes/smartest and I agree with the title of the thread in this regard.
And if someone of reasonable physical size puts their foot in my door as I open it a few inches to talk to them, they will get the door slammed on it and we'll be calling in a home invasion pretty fast.
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So because that guy isn't scared of a dog charging him that means everyone else should have the same reaction?
I think a better way of looking at it is that if you have a job that routinely involves you going to strangers' doors; you should be prepared to know how to deal with dogs. At least in a way that doesn't involve lethal force.
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