2015 ALCS Toronto Blue Jays VS Kansas City Royals

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JayP

Fox got the World Series ratings they wanted. Whoo!

Nobody watches Kansas City

[browna]

Yes the bat flip, but tonight wouldve topped that if they won.

2 HR's accounting for all runs? And if Revere walks (likey if the second strike wasn't called) instead of the BS strikeout and Donaldson hits a similar grounder that doesn't score a run (though thrn the infield msy be in and Donaldsons hit may have gotten through),just a force at home, it would have been Bautista up, bases loaded, with 2 out.

[bluejays]

So looking ahead to next year, as much as I want more guys on base in critical situations (like the Royals), I don't think you can do that easily. The real gaping hole is our pitching. A lot of starters to re-sign or fill when we don't, plus a complete revamp of the bullpen. After every team sees the success of KC's bullpen, you gotta think it'll be much harder to accomplish a rebuild of the pitching staff, with mediocre arms getting high deals. Anthopolis has his off-season cut out for him.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Nobody watches Kansas City

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What was their average with RISP?

Yeah, that's pretty much my point about luck. Royals got their hits with RISP, Blue Jays didn't. Mostly luck really (in my eyes there is no such thing as "clutch" in any sport)

[flames_fan_down_under]

Donaldsons laser right into Moustakas' glove was just another example of the Jays not getting the luck they need. 5 inches further from him its a hit.

[browna]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What was their average with RISP?

Because getting into scoring position is done through riding a rainbow through lollipop lane?

Martin's hit in the 9th,his first in the series, was massive. If the proper balk call was made, he gets plated (Pompey) regardless of what happened after.

Yeah, Goins screws up a bunt. Revere then hit a fly which wouldve scored the runner at third.

Donaldson had some hard hits to third. As mentioned, the ump helped out. KC immensely in the 9th with the way Navarro and Revere were unnecessarily put behind in counts. Revere gets on and Donaldson hits that same pitch through a (now drawn in)infield and the Jays lead.

So yeah, they didn't get the hits, and also got screwed around a bit as far as batting, never mind the HR screwjob.

[JayP]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What was their average with RISP?

It doesn't matter. When the other teams are gifted HRs (the opinion of the vast majority of impartial fans looking around online) and give the opposing closer a strike zone consisting of pitches 3 inches off the plate (according to PitchFX) you can't not blame the umps.

Yes, the Jays should've gotten hits with runners in scoring position. But guess what? That happens - it's baseball. Donaldson hit a 114 mph rocket (hardest hit of the year) right at a guy with a runner on. That's not clutch? Sometimes hard hits are outs and that was tonight for the Jays. But never should the umps dictate the outcome of a game.

[fundmark19]

Originally Posted by browna

Cain was going no matter what. In theory yes Goins was in right place. My point is that the way Bautista hustled and then used his momentum as he spins and threw, i dnt think he wouldve had as hard or as accurate a throw if he had to spin around thst much further to throw to first base.

Cain was not going no matter what he is a terrible runner. He was waved home when the throw was a muffin to second instead of the cut off guy. You hit the cut off and Cain stops at third and you have a run down between first and second since he over turned first

It was a single only way a runner from 1st should score is if it was a hit and run and a bad relay throw home.

[The Big Chill]

Nm

[whosurnabby]

Originally Posted by edslunch

What was their average with RISP?

MLB best .286 in the entire 2015 season

.231 in the postseason

That's Baseball for you.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Pagal4321

#WishTheyHadSyndergaard

LOL, get over yourself. I've forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know. You probably just started watching this year like 90% of the rest of the fans (not that there's anything wrong with that, generally). I suffered for 20 years and that trade was like a kick in the groin at the time, and now. Especially with how much AA had been building up the farm to that point, it was devastating to see our two best prospects punted for a 4 billion year old knuckle baller, even if he did just win the Cy Young.

Anyone who thinks the Jays couldn't have had the season they had without RA Dickey knows less about baseball than my 8 year old son. Top 3 pitchers are very hard to acquire, depth starters are not and Dickey is depth starter. He pitched 6 freaking innings during the postseason, that really shows you the value the Blue Jays see in him.

He cost the Jays so many times in the first half, it was unbearable. It is not simply washed out by good/acceptable performances in the second half. It's like saying Hiller is a good goalie because he makes some highlight reel saves and has decent stats. He's still inconsistent, lets in soft goals and is generally useless in a key role on a contender, just like 6 inning Dickey.

Dickey was brought in to be an ace and he ended up a 3/4. Snydergaard will be an ace and d'Arnaud is a stud. It was a bad trade. End of story. Dickey is not irreplaceable. End of story. Pointing these things out is just pointing these things out, they are FACTS. No need to get uspet with facts, even if the Jays are winning.

Dickey was amazing with the Mets, flat out amazing. But the AL East is a different story and so is the Rogers Center. I never bought into the hype of that trade or the Marlins trade because I actually follow baseball every year, not just when the Jays are good. Those were bad trades (the Marlins trade was less bad), even though pieces from those trades helped the team win this year. These aren't mutually exclusive concepts, I don't see why anyone could possibly be upset by them. You can make a bad trade that helps you now but hurts you more down the road.

Since he's been in Toronto, Dickey's been good/okay at times, horrid at others, and great a very, very small percentage of the time. Altogether, he's been incredibly inconsistent, more so than any other pitcher I've seen this side of Kelvim Escobar. Inconsistency is the last thing you want in a starter, I can't believe I would even have to defend that, it's just a given. Average all the time is better than 'lights out or lit up'. I really doubt they exercise his option, there are far better ways to spend $12 million dollars.

Before you go there, yes you were directing that post at me.

[The Big Chill]

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...&zlpo=&cache=1

I can't figure out how to embed this on my phone right now, but it shows Navarro's at bat.

His called strike 2 is as bad as Revere's and basically forces him to swing at an unhittable strike 3.

[browna]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/...&zlpo=&cache=1

I can't figure out how to embed this on my phone right now, but it shows Navarro's at bat.

His called strike 2 is as bad as Revere's and basically forces him to swing at an unhittable strike 3.

Yup, and then it snowballs.
1)Navarro playing defense at the plate instead of being ahead.
2)Pitcher ahead so can throw different next pitch out of zone,knowing this
3)Pitcher goes to same pitch with Revere,knowing ump just called it
4)Ump doesn't like being called inconsistent, so two wrongs=a right
5)Revere is at 2-2 instead of 3-1 and see 1)&2).
6)Now two outs so KC defense can play back. Donaldson and his sharp hit is a routine force at first.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by nik-

No matter how happy they might be, in the morning these people still wake up and live in Kansas and or Missouri.

For that, we should all feel pity for them.

Could be worse? Could be the blackhole they call the "centre of the universe".

[SportsJunky]

What a year for the Jays. Nothing to be ashamed of. They lost to the best team in the American league. Good luck to you David Price. Wherever you end up.

[Jason14h]

While it sucks we lost, we lost to a team that went to game 7 of the WS last season, and is probably the best team this year.

Let's not act like the Jays had a fundamental flaw in their team. KC had the best reliever in MLB (and best 2 seasons in MLB history) get out of a jam with the umps help. We lost to an amazingly stacked team.

But FFS, was that pitch a mile outside.......

[The Goon]

Thanks to the Blue Jays for a wonderful season, even cheering from out west. I've been a fan since my mom got a free Jays cap for me from Shoppers Drug Mart in 1977, and this year felt like being a kid again. It reminded me just who my favourite team (any sport) is.

When the video package is created for this season, it will be a highlight-fest. The Pillar catches, the Donaldson bare-handed relays to first base, all the homers, the walk-off victories...the bat flip.

So happy I was able to go to a game in Toronto in June (which they won in the bottom of the ninth when Edwin hit a walk-off home run).

Great season. Great, great season. Last night was a sad one but I'll look back on 2015 fondly.

[EldrickOnIce]

MLB should be embarrassed by that kind of officiating. That said, the Jays played crybaby all playoffs and dug their own hole with the umpire (the most personal position for sports rules).
Still...

[GirlySports]

There was no balk. The bench was barking at the Navarro strike 2 call. Reynolds was clueless as usual.

Royals were fundamentally that little bit better. And they saw Osuna too much. When the Jays are warming up Price and using Osuna in 6 run leads..there is just no bullpen