Al_jazeera showing video of OBL/Al-Queda planning 9/11

[Looger]

Originally Posted by photon

Not true.


The supposed flight manifest used from CNN to make this claim isn't an actual manifest, but a partial list (and one that was being updated), and one that specifically didn't mention the hijackers.

And that they didn't show up in the final list of identified bodies doesn't mean they weren't there, it could mean that their remains couldn't be identified, couldn't be recovered, or weren't recovered from the plane but were recovered elsewhere. There were other people that also weren't on that list. If there's multiple possible answers to a question you can't just pick the one that supports your chosen view...

http://911myths.com/html/autopsy_list.html

http://911myths.com/html/missing_arabs.html

wow actual discussion!

i'll check out your links and get back to you, and thank you.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Looger

larry silverstein, the owner, in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", says they 'pulled' it.

talk to the moderators if you take offense to my avatar. i'm offended by your avatar because it reminds me of how stupid you are, does that make me special?

It's clear that they were pulling the firefighters, not the building. The "controlled demo of WTC 7" has been debunked many times over.

I find your avatar provocative but I don't think it's offensive enough to make you change it. But consider this your final warning on personal attacks. Retaliation is no excuse.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by photon

It's clear that they were pulling the firefighters, not the building. The "controlled demo of WTC 7" has been debunked many times over.

I find your avatar provocative but I don't think it's offensive enough to make you change it. But consider this your final warning on personal attacks. Retaliation is no excuse.

retaliation isn't an excuse - it's a REASON.

and it ALWAYS HAPPENS. deal.

the firefighters hadn't been in the building since 10 AM, according to the firefighters anyway.

debunked? because larry "i got paid 7 billion" silverstein changed his story, when in that same documentary you hear the term 'pulled' used to describe taking down building six?

ah.

[White Doors]

This is FUN

[Reaper]

All I can say is this:

How can the knoll stay grassy when Looger has clearly set up a campsite on it?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by photon

Not true.


The supposed flight manifest used from CNN to make this claim isn't an actual manifest, but a partial list (and one that was being updated), and one that specifically didn't mention the hijackers.

And that they didn't show up in the final list of identified bodies doesn't mean they weren't there, it could mean that their remains couldn't be identified, couldn't be recovered, or weren't recovered from the plane but were recovered elsewhere. There were other people that also weren't on that list. If there's multiple possible answers to a question you can't just pick the one that supports your chosen view...

http://911myths.com/html/autopsy_list.html

http://911myths.com/html/missing_arabs.html

interesting site by the way.

the DNA thing is something that makes sense. hadn't thought of it that way.

quite honestly i'm positive that the hijackers were on the planes, they were likely part of an intelligence program called 'able danger' that would wargame things like hijackings.

but there's a few reports that the manifests were cooked later, i guess it's one of those he-said they-said kind of things.

the hijackers i consider one of those perimeter details, or second-tier. not as irrefutable as intercept flight logs, radar trackeing, logs of surveillance, direct forensic evidence. no one will ever know their story for sure, those that were on the planes anyway.

[White Doors]

hadn't thought

yes.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

yes.

hate to disappoint but i'm not allowed to respond to insults.

[White Doors]

No insults needed. Just pointing put that you didn't think it through, as you admitted.

[FlamesAddiction]

Is this the video?

http://cbs5.com/topstories/topstorie...250143125.html

There are definitely some training activities and statements being made, but there doesn't seem to be anything on the surface that pinpoints what happened on Sept 11th, or that they were training for that specific purpose.

Unless I am missing something. I admit, I had trouble reading all the captions.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Looger

retaliation isn't an excuse - it's a REASON.

and it ALWAYS HAPPENS. deal.

Reasons describe why something happens, excuses justify it happening. So yes retaliation is your reason but it does not excuse it. In this context that means either you can put a stop to it, or we will.

And White Doors, quoting a few words out of context may not be an insult, but it is trolling, doesn't add anything, and only serves to inflame an already emotional topic. It's not necessary.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by photon

Reasons describe why something happens, excuses justify it happening. So yes retaliation is your reason but it does not excuse it. In this context that means either you can put a stop to it, or we will.

the easiest way to not get a retaliation, is to not insult in the first place.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Looger

the easiest way to not get a retaliation, is to not insult in the first place.

Then why insult people first?

Im a stupid sheep...remember?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Then why insult people first?

Im a stupid sheep...remember?

...not sure where i insulted someone specific, but hey, go ahead, put words in my mouth.

i mean why not?

some people get reprimanded for insults, some people don't.

how i can respond to this verbal diarrhea without shooting back insults like LIAR or STUPID ****ING IDIOT is beyond me.

[Azure]

BTW Looger, I find your avatar highly insulting. I knew people who were in New York on 9/11, and saw it up close, along with others who helped carry the people out, both dead and alive.

You have the right to believe whatever conspiracy you want, but don't glorify your position by showing something that killed innocent people.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Looger

i mean why not?

some people get reprimanded for insults, some people don't.
.

I'm curious how exactly you know who gets reprimanded and who doesn't? Most reprimands are done privately between a mod and the user...so don't assume you know who's been warned and who hasn't.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Azure

BTW Looger, I find your avatar highly insulting. I knew people who were in New York on 9/11, and saw it up close, along with others who helped carry the people out, both dead and alive.

You have the right to believe whatever conspiracy you want, but don't glorify your position by showing something that killed innocent people.

building was evacuated. like all controlled demolitions.

if you have a problem with my avatar, take it up with the authorities.

i'm astonished that you'd call attention to your own ignorance and childish BS by even posting such crap.

but i'm getting used to lowering the standards of my expectations around here these days...

your identification with the victims of this tragedy is particularly ridiculous, especially given the fact that many of them call for a reopening of the investigation.

as you're 'so close' to the victims, perhaps you'll join some of them on the 11th when they'll be looking for some answers:

Monday, September 11th
11AM -- 12:15PM
National Press Club
Zenger Room
529 14th Street NW 13th floor
(corner of 14th and 'F' Street)
Washington, DC

you might also be interested in what Bill Doyle, who heads the largest victims organization: http://www.coalitionof911families.org/ , said in an interview with Alex Jones, syndicated radio host:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...tcomplicit.htm

"If you want to believe what they want to snow you under on like the 9/11 Commission - that's a total fallacy," said Doyle.

...

"It looks like there was a conspiracy behind 9/11 if you really look at all the facts - a lot of families now feel the same way."
"Where was NORAD," asked Doyle as he highlighted the implausible gap between the known hijacking times of Flight 93 and Flight 77 and their eventual destruction.
"It was called a step-down - don't do anything - let it happen."
"From everything I look at I'm sure there was a lot of complicity - in the least there had to be a lot of complicity - if you read all the facts there's no way that nineteen hijackers carried out this mission," Doyle told Jones.

good luck. sounds like a tough crowd though.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I'm curious how exactly you know who gets reprimanded and who doesn't? Most reprimands are done privately between a mod and the user...so don't assume you know who's been warned and who hasn't.

mathematics.

i get reprimanded and receive a warning for one response, while those that spew total venom multiple times are still around.

[transplant99]

...not sure where i insulted someone specific, but hey, go ahead, put words in my mouth

Anyone who believes that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 atrocities are...

do stupid sheep know they're stupid sheep?

well it's proof in the court of sheeple public opinion

Sooo....its obvious by your own words that those whom don't buy your convoluted conspiracy theory are, in fact, sheep, and sheep are stupid.

Right?

[transplant99]

but i'm getting used to lowering the standards of my expectations around here these days...

Then you should really move on, don't you think?

You have clearly decided that you are well above the majority here. Why stay if it's so bad?