[Rumour] Spector: Bennett for Stamkos? Hudler asking $7 mil/yr. Russell available

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We also have 5 more years of RFA Monahan and Gaudreau, who combined probably won't be making what Stamkos will next season.

Sure, But Stamkos @ 10-11 mil plus bennett for 3 more years on his elc would be the sight to see... especially with our defence. Especially when brodie comes back from injury.

Stamkos + bennett > Monanah and Gaudreau imo of course.

[Poe969]

First off, you've yet to deny that you're actually an oiler fan who's been kicked off this site and come back under another user name.

Secondly, Gaudreau has the potential to become something like Stamkos so why would we trade him now? Monahan is a completely different style of player and we hope he becomes more like a Toews not Stamkos.

Thirdly, throwing in a first doesn't help since Tampa will likely finish with a very late first rounder.

You're obviously an oiler fan but let's play along here. You want the Flames to get rid of 2 of their best young players for one player? After it's been reported that Monahan is untouchable (and don't bring up Gretzky because that'll just be admitting you're an oiler fan), you think the Flames should trade him?

At least have the stones to be like some of oiler fans here that admit they're oiler fans. Heck, I respect verve more than you right now. He may just come out and praise the oilers when they do something good but at least we know he's an oiler fan.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

Sure, But Stamkos @ 10-11 mil plus bennett for 3 more years on his elc would be the sight to see... especially with our defence. Especially when brodie comes back from injury.

Stamkos + bennett > Monanah and Gaudreau imo of course.

Gaudreau + Monahan + Stamkos > Bennett and Stamkos

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by codynw

Yea, still no.

Gaudreau might be better than Stamkos as early as this year. While being 4 years younger, and not a pending UFA that will get at least $10M per year.

Stamkos is a multiple 50 goal scorer, only 25 and in his prime. I'm sorry if I dont think Gaudreau will ever be as good as Stamkos. He's a top talent in the world... you pay him $10mil if he wants it. This is all under the assumption that he would sign with the flames of course, TB could give permission to talk to his agent, or he could just flat out deny coming to calgary as he has a NMC. If he is willing to stay, you trade for and sign him 20/10 times.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

Stamkos is a multiple 50 goal scorer, only 25 and in his prime. I'm sorry if I dont think Gaudreau will ever be as good as Stamkos. He's a top talent in the world... you pay him $10mil if he wants it. This is all under the assumption that he would sign with the flames of course, TB could give permission to talk to his agent, or he could just flat out deny coming to calgary as he has a NMC. If he is willing to stay, you trade for and sign him 20/10 times.

I'm gonna quote my post from the last page for you.

Originally Posted by codynw

Stamkos is arguably already starting to decline. He's been playing well below a point per game since about March of 2014. This is an example of the name being bigger than the player. He wasn't even the best player on his own team last season, let alone top 5 in the league.

Stamkos, while an elite goal scorer, is incredibly overrated at everything else. He's not as dynamic, and doesn't create his team's offense the way other top talents do.

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Gaudreau + Monahan + Stamkos > Bennett and Stamkos

Sure, you're right... pre 06 lockout. But how could you afford all 3 when monahan and gaudreau needs a raise? If you have all 3 at once Stamkos would be getting his big money contract already. Thats why you keep monahan and gaudreau or trade them for Stamkos and a 1st.

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by codynw

I'm gonna quote my post from the last page for you.



Stamkos, while an elite goal scorer, is incredibly overrated at everything else. He's not as dynamic, and doesn't create his team's offense the way other top talents do.

I read what you said, doesn't change the fact that he is only 25. Too young to write him off. People were saying the same about Ovechkin once upon a time.

[burn_this_city]

It would be a bad idea because we need young top players on ELC. Its incredibly difficult to win without a few ECL bargains playing far above their salary.

[cznTiburon]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

I read what you said, doesn't change the fact that he is only 25. Too young to write him off. People were saying the same about Ovechkin once upon a time.

Where has anyone written off stamkos? people are simply balancing out the ask for him would be way more than what he is showing he is worth. He appears to have slowed down a bit after his leg injury but that doesn't mean he isn't an elite goal scorer, this is just indicating that maybe he has balanced out to more and has to rely a bit more on his teammates. He is a phenom but we shouldn't be mortgaging what we believe is a phenomenal future for a single player who can't win by himself. Our supporting cast isn't good enough.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Where has anyone written off stamkos? people are simply balancing out the ask for him would be way more than what he is showing he is worth. He appears to have slowed down a bit after his leg injury but that doesn't mean he isn't an elite goal scorer, this is just indicating that maybe he has balanced out to more and has to rely a bit more on his teammates. He is a phenom but we shouldn't be mortgaging what we believe is a phenomenal future for a single player who can't win by himself. Our supporting cast isn't good enough.

I think the Martin St. Louis trade hurt him way more than the broken leg did.

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It would be a bad idea because we need young top players on ELC. Its incredibly difficult to win without a few ECL bargains playing far above their salary.

Agree, with the salary cap it is very important to have contributing players on an elc.

Originally Posted by cznTiburon

Where has anyone written off stamkos? people are simply balancing out the ask for him would be way more than what he is showing he is worth. He appears to have slowed down a bit after his leg injury but that doesn't mean he isn't an elite goal scorer, this is just indicating that maybe he has balanced out to more and has to rely a bit more on his teammates. He is a phenom but we shouldn't be mortgaging what we believe is a phenomenal future for a single player who can't win by himself. Our supporting cast isn't good enough.

Saying that Gaudreau could be better than stamkos by the end of the season? You haven't said that, but that's simply ridiculous. He has slowed down noticeably after his injury, sure but he still scored 43 goals last season and co-lead his team in points with 72. With Bennett on his wing, they could do some serious damage. If He's available, I believe I believe you grab him at all costs because he's worth it... only if he is guaranteed to sign.

[Badgers Nose]

Getting Stamkos, and paying the crazy price that involves, is a win now move that I don't like.

This is not a win now team, the window will open naturally.

Unless it is a crazy Hamilton type trade, where almost nothing goes the other way besides draft picks/lottery tickets I don't see why people are bullish on this.

Yeah, I get he is a superstar, but we were a 1-2 super star team not that long ago and did not win anything. And it will probably involve future stars going to TB to make this trade work. So I don't see how that gets us anywhere other than where we were in 2007 if Flames make this trade.

Whereas, on the current path the ceiling might be way higher in a few years.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

Agree, with the salary cap it is very important to have contributing players on an elc.


Saying that Gaudreau could be better than stamkos by the end of the season? You haven't said that, but that's simply ridiculous. He has slowed down noticeably after his injury, sure but he still scored 43 goals last season and co-lead his team in points with 72. With Bennett on his wing, they could do some serious damage. If He's available, I believe I believe you grab him at all costs because he's worth it... only if he is guaranteed to sign.

So Stamkos had 8 more points than a rookie Gaudreau in 2 more games. Plus you want to add Monahan to that trade.

Im with Poe, how bout McDavid and RNH for Stamkos Oily one? With Hall on his wing they could do some serious damage.

[Flames Homer]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

So Stamkos had 8 more points than a rookie Gaudreau in 2 more games. Plus you want to add Monahan to that trade.

Im with Poe, how bout McDavid and RNH for Stamkos Oily one? With Hall on his wing they could do some serious damage.

I will state that McDavid on his ELC is probably the most valuable piece in hockey at the moment, as for the rest? I won't bite on the bait.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

I will state that McDavid on his ELC is probably the most valuable piece in hockey at the moment, as for the rest? I won't bite on the bait.

Wow man your gig is up. Why bring McDavid into this threads conversation??? There is no reason for it.

[DionTheDman]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

It would be a bad idea because we need young top players on ELC. Its incredibly difficult to win without a few ECL bargains playing far above their salary.

The annoying thing is we gave up a year of ELC each to Bennett and JG. It sucks, especially with Johnny, since we only got a single game from him that year.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Flames Homer

Sure, you're right... pre 06 lockout. But how could you afford all 3 when monahan and gaudreau needs a raise? If you have all 3 at once Stamkos would be getting his big money contract already. Thats why you keep monahan and gaudreau or trade them for Stamkos and a 1st.

You should ask the Edmonchuk Coilers how they are going to afford Nuge/McDavid/Hall/Yaks and past that Nurse/Drisatil lol

So much no good in your posting it's baffling you keep trying to act like a when clearly your a

[Hockey Fan #751]

There are two problems with acquiring Stamkos. The first is that players exit their prime scoring years right around age 27 so regardless of how well he's done in the past, he will not better the scoring output (or at least it's very unlikely that he will) that he had over the last five years in the next five.

That doesn't mean he won't be a better or more well-rounded player but he's not going to put up the points he once did if history is any indication. Ironically, Yzerman is a good example of this. Much better player in his late 20s and early 30s but not nearly as dynamic of a scorer.

The second thing is his contract. If he goes to free agency some team will offer him MAX by MAX ($14 mil by 8?) and I'm sure he knows this so if he's going to take less than that it'll probably be with Tampa and probably wouldn't be with Calgary.

If I'm Calgary, I don't really want to give up very good assets for a player who is awesome but will be taking up that much cap space. Would I pay him MAX by MAX as a free agent if I'm Calgary? You bet I would. But I don't give up assets for that contract knowing his best scoring years are behind him.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

The annoying thing is we gave up a year of ELC each to Bennett and JG. It sucks, especially with Johnny, since we only got a single game from him that year.

Burning the year with JG was probably part of the contract terms, though. Might have been a lot harder to sign him without that sweetener.

[Phanuthier]

The Oilers should really make use of Hall and RNH's prime years, and sell McJesus and Nurse high, as once they are off their ELC's they will ask for too much money. The time to win for them is now before.

or something like that